New intake for crossfire = more HP!!!!

[toobroketoretire]

Depending on load the ECM can advance the timing up around 45-47 degrees. As a matter of fact stock TPI tables have several cells in this range.

Install a wideband 02 and you might learn something about how the motor responds to the new intake.

Okay, I give up. What is a Wideband 02? And what are these "cells" you're speaking about?

 

[vetteboy86]

Innovate Motorsports Wideband Air/Fuel Ratio Tuning

 

[toobroketoretire]

Innovate Motorsports Wideband Air/Fuel Ratio Tuning

So I take it the numbers on the left column represent the rpm? What does the top numbers represent, and what do the other numbers represent?

 

[vetteboy86]

Left RPM top Load Variable and the within the cells is the Spark advance.

 

[toobroketoretire]

Shame on you Hib. You're comparing a Renegade to a common PIG? With lipstick on it no less? The Renegade will certainly outperform a stock Crossfire, and it will definitely outperform a ported Crossfire. I have a feeling you simply don't like Crossfires or anything remotely like them. Those of us who live in California don't have any other choice as we cannot change our intake manifolds to something else. So we are either stuck with the Crossfires, ported Crossfires, or the Renegades. As the Renegade will easily outflow a Crossfire or a ported Crossfire, I'll get a Renegade.

 

[catbert]

Put the crossfire in the context of the times. What domestic car was faster than the Vette in 84? I drove an 84 for a couple years, and only lost to the 85 Vette after they were introduced. It's easy to point back almost 30 years and take shots.

 

[toobroketoretire]

Put the crossfire in the context of the times. What domestic car was faster than the Vette in 84? I drove an 84 for a couple years, and only lost to the 85 Vette after they were introduced. It's easy to point back almost 30 years and take shots.

So what is your point? I'm saying we California owners have only 3 choices. Run a stock Crossfire, run a ported Crossfire, or run a Renegade. As the Renegade will easily outflow a Crossfire or ported Crossfire, I'll go with the Renegade.

 

[catbert]

So what is your point? I'm saying we California owners have only 3 choices. Run a stock Crossfire, run a ported Crossfire, or run a Renegade. As the Renegade will easily outflow a Crossfire or ported Crossfire, I'll go with the Renegade.

My point is that all the bitching about the crossfire is BS. I couldn't care less about the Renegade one way or the other.

 

[toobroketoretire]

My point is that all the bitching about the crossfire is BS. I couldn't care less about the Renegade one way or the other.

I take it you don't own a Crossfire? If not, then why are you getting involved in these Crossfire posts?

 

[catbert]

I take it you don't own a Crossfire? If not, then why are you getting involved in these Crossfire posts?

Although I didn't know topics were exclusive to owners of vehicles being discussed, I owned and raced crossfires for years. I'm getting involved because I had a comment, but no "dog in the fight."

 

[toobroketoretire]

Although I didn't know topics were exclusive to owners of vehicles being discussed, I owned and raced crossfires for years. I'm getting involved because I had a comment, but no "dog in the fight."

Thanks for telling me you have owned a Crossfire(s) in the past. As a former Crossfire owner, you know firsthand the dilemma we Crossfire owners are faced with. On a 350" engine they fall flat on their face at only 4000 rpm. As my '82 is a California car, I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Either waste my time porting my Crossfire for little gain or go with the higher flowing Renegade. That's why I plunked down my $460 in late March of last year. I want better breathing while maintaining a stock Crossfire appearance. I already have a nice set of Dart Sportsman II 72cc heads on my engine and an Erson 214/214 roller cam. So all I need now is a high flowing intake manifold to compliment my previous engine modifications. Oh yeah, and I also put a set of 3.54 gears in it back in 1988, and a B&M 2000 Holeshot converter in it in early 2008 when I overhauled my 700R4. My '82 runs strong up until 4000 rpm and then it abruptly runs out of breath. I know the Renegade will solve my 4000 rpm and up breathing problems once and for all.

 

[boomdriver]

This whole deal went sideways when the "prepay" owners started defending (IMHO) a really poor decision to pay for something that does not yet exist.

Again, I will throw the topic of simple economics out there....

For someone to make, produce and market something like an intake manifold cost LOTS of money. There is not ANY business that would do such a thing knowing that their market was all but extinct. The car/engine has not been produced in 26 yrs ! The number of potential buyers is nowhere near what would be considered a reasonable return on the investment. Making this part 20 yrs ago might have made sense, but in 2010? Thats a p-poor way to run a business. Not trying to offend, just trying to be logical.

This "renegade" manifold is like the sasquach of the automotive world.....nobody has actually seen or met one, but a few swear that its real. :~)

 

[toobroketoretire]

This whole deal went sideways when the "prepay" owners started defending (IMHO) a really poor decision to pay for something that does not yet exist.

Again, I will throw the topic of simple economics out there....

For someone to make, produce and market something like an intake manifold cost LOTS of money. There is not ANY business that would do such a thing knowing that their market was all but extinct. The car/engine has not been produced in 26 yrs ! The number of potential buyers is nowhere near what would be considered a reasonable return on the investment. Making this part 20 yrs ago might have made sense, but in 2010? Thats a p-poor way to run a business. Not trying to offend, just trying to be logical.

This "renegade" manifold is like the sasquach of the automotive world.....nobody has actually seen or met one, but a few swear that its real. :~)

What do you want anyway? DCS is producing them right now. As of this date, several people have received them. I'm #7 on their pre-buy list and I expect I'll get mine any day now. As DCS was completely unsure of the potential market, they asked us to commit ourselves for paying for them upfront. So when they got enough requests (backed by $$$) they decided to go ahead with the project. It has taken a whole year to get the Renegades designed and the tooling produced and now they're finally producing them at the rate of several a week. The major hold up is the foundry's capability of producing them several at a time. There's just no money in making small quantities of anything, so DCS has had to take a back seat to other foundry pours. But the Renegades ARE getting made.

 

[nelson84]

Although I didn't know topics were exclusive to owners of vehicles being discussed, I owned and raced crossfires for years. I'm getting involved because I had a comment, but no "dog in the fight."

Where did you race crossfires? Did you win a race with a crossfire? Was it a stock crossfire? Or did you port it? To bad you didn't have a renegade back then, I bet you would have won a few more races with it.

 

[toobroketoretire]

Where did you race crossfires? Did you win a race with a crossfire? Was it a stock crossfire? Or did you port it? To bad you didn't have a renegade back then, I bet you would have won a few more races with it.

If the competition knew he had a Renegade, they'd just give up and go home. The Renegade will turn a Crossfire into a tire smoking beast.

 

[nelson84]

If the competition knew he had a Renegade, they'd just give up and go home. The Renegade will turn a Crossfire into a tire smoking beast.

You would know, you are near the top of the list to recieve your renegade, us low lifes at the bottem of the list just get to hear about how well it works.

Almost 200 posts, I don't like to brag but you know.

 

[toobroketoretire]

You would know, you are near the top of the list to recieve your renegade, us low lifes at the bottem of the list just get to hear about how well it works.

Almost 200 posts, I don't like to brag but you know.

The Renegades are coming. DCS just needs to tie up some loose ends and then they'll get going. I have waited a whole year so I sure don't mind waiting a little bit longer. Especially as they're now so close.

 

[catbert]

Where did you race crossfires? Did you win a race with a crossfire? Was it a stock crossfire? Or did you port it? To bad you didn't have a renegade back then, I bet you would have won a few more races with it.

I raced SCCA solo 1 and solo 2, also hillclimbs. I ran stock classes and won far more than my share including the state series championship. At the time, there was no reason to mod it, cuz nothing was faster, and I didn't need an edge.

 

[toobroketoretire]

You would know, you are near the top of the list to recieve your Renegade, us low lifes at the bottem of the list just get to hear about how well it works.

I'm #7 according to DCS but that doesn't do me a bit of good until I actually receive it. DCS claims they are casting several a week but I don't know where they're all going. Obviously not to me.

 

[G Winter]

I'm #7 according to DCS but that doesn't do me a bit of good until I actually receive it. DCS claims they are casting several a week but I don't know where they're all going. Obviously not to me.

You need to remember, to some people several is anything more than one. By that definition 2 a week could be called several.

Glenn