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Question: 1996 f45 question

speedbyu

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I looked on here but did not find the answer I need.
I have a 1996 with the f45 suspension. I am going to put different shocks on and unsure about the shock absorber simulators. Do i need to buy the kit or will pulling the 20 amp fuse behind the drivers seat do the same thing?

Thanks, Bill
 
I looked on here but did not find the answer I need.
I have a 1996 with the f45 suspension. I am going to put different shocks on and unsure about the shock absorber simulators. Do i need to buy the kit or will pulling the 20 amp fuse behind the drivers seat do the same thing?

Thanks, Bill

This info is for a 96 C4.

If you disable the suspension control module by removing the fuse for it and install regular shocks you don't need the simulator kit.

You can verify this by removing the fuse and driving the car. Of course the shocks won't adjust with the control module disabled and you shouldn't see an idiot light on.

It appears from 1997-2002 under certain conditions when something was wrong with the F45 shock controller system the vehicle speed was limited to 80 mph. So people who installed regular shocks purchased the simulator kit to get around the 80 mph speed limit. You couldn't just remove the controller fuse.
 
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This info is for a 96 C4.

If you disable the suspension control module by removing the fuse for it and install regular shocks you don't need the simulator kit.

You can verify this by removing the fuse and driving the car. Of course the shocks won't adjust with the control module disabled and you shouldn't see an idiot light on.

It appears from 1997-2002 under certain conditions when something was wrong with the F45 shock controller system the vehicle speed was limited to 80 mph. So people who installed regular shocks purchased the simulator kit to get around the 80 mph speed limit. You couldn't just remove the controller fuse.



Thanks for your help. I am still not sure if the system is working or not. There are no codes and the light is not on in the dash but the car rides pretty rough and I dont notice any change when I adjust the suspension. Unfortunately I dont know anybody who has the same so nothing to compare it to.
 
Thanks for your help. I am still not sure if the system is working or not. There are no codes and the light is not on in the dash but the car rides pretty rough and I dont notice any change when I adjust the suspension. Unfortunately I dont know anybody who has the same so nothing to compare it to.

According to the owners manual the Service Ride Control indicator in the Driver Information Center should go on then off if everything is Ok.



Here's a picture of the Driver Information Center showing the location of the idiot light. Manual says the DIC bulbs are not user serviceable. Is it possible Bubba has disabled the bulb?



Have you verified the fuse for the control module is good?

Do you have the F45 shocks like in the picture below?





There are two electrical connector plugs on F45 shocks.
 
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Found and check my fuse and its ok and yes those are my shocks. The system may be working I just dont see any difference in ride when i change to any of the settings.
I had an Oreilly's run for codes and none should up
 
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Found and check my fuse and its ok and yes those are my shocks. The system may be working I just dont see any difference in ride when i change to any of the settings.
I had an Oreilly's run for codes and none should up

I don't own a 96 but supposedly you can read F45 codes on a 96 Vette by doing the following.

Connect either pin 4 or pin 5 which are both ground to pin 12 of the diagnostic connector located above the drivers right knee.

Turn the ignition On (don't start the car). The Central Control Module polls the different modules and displays any error codes on the cluster LCD.

Look at the dash cluster LCD

Module 4 PCM won't be displayed for a 96.
See if Module 7 displays any error codes.

I doubt Oreilly's tester can read F45 codes.
A GM Tech 1 along with the procedure above can.

 
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If you had an auto parts store check for RTD codes, they likely didn't find any because the testers they probably use don't support the car's suspension module thus, they'd read no codes.

Turn the key on but don't start the engine and watch to see if the RTD service light comes on then goes off during bulb check. If it does not come go on-then-off, it is possible that somone has removed the service light bulb to "solve" a problem. If the service light does not work, it's possbile fault codes are set. Unless you have a TECH2, the method discussed by "ecss" above is the only way your can read codes which may exist. You need the Factory Service Manual to understand the codes and know how to repair them.

The 96 RTD system is bi-state. That is, there are only two settings and they could be characterized as "pretty soft" (Tour) and "just a bit less soft than tour" (Performance). Reality is that the system's bandwidth is pretty limited and it is difficult, but not impossible, to feel differences in damping as you drive.

In "tour" the shocks are soft most of the time but switch to firm occasionally. In "Performance", the system is soft sometimes, but firm more often.

Unless the shocks are faulty and are stuck in firm or have failed in a way that makes them too firm, it's hard to imagine you'll find any other shocks which will provide a softer ride than the RTD units.

The reason for this is that 96 RTD was more marketing than a useful performance enhancement. From a performance standpoint, that system was a step back from Selective Ride Control (SRC), the adjustable shock system used from 1989-1995. From a ride standpoint, RTD was only an incremental improvement over the old SRC and the improvement was more in response time than it was in actual damping.

The first-generation, bi-state RTD was a one-year option and, compared to the 2G RTD, used from 1997-2002, it lacked damping bandwidth. If GM had valved the firm setting such that it really worked well in aggressive driving, the soft setting would have not been soft enough. GM's intent was for the 96 Corvette customers who drive hard to order Z51 which did not have RTD available and used a fixed-valve Bilstein shock. The rest of Corvette customers were perceived as not driving their cars hard that much so, in order to have a satisfactory ride in non-aggressive-driving situations, the RTD shock's bandwidth was skewed to the soft side, so when "tour" was selected, the ride was satisfactory for Corvette owners with "soft bottoms". With the damping of the "Tour" setting locked in, the firm setting ended up as firm as the system's limited bandwidth would permit.
 
Thanks guys for all your help. I am gonna contact the local Vette club to see if anybody has one. If not maybe I can talk somebody at the dealership in to hooking it up and check.
You have been a big help
 
Thanks guys for all your help. I am gonna contact the local Vette club to see if anybody has one. If not maybe I can talk somebody at the dealership in to hooking it up and check.
You have been a big help

Let's assume you pull the F45 codes by shorting pin 4 or pin 5 to pin 12 and find no error codes set for module 7.
That would indicate the controller sees not problems with the system.

Because you can't feel any difference in the settings it could be the shocks are worn out.
Used shocks cost $200 and they could end up being worn out.
New shocks if you can find them (there are some on e-bay) $400 each and higher.
A replacement control module used $300.

It would make no sense to repair the system unless you have deep pockets. :mad
Remove the fuse to the controller, install regular shocks and be happy. :w
You could also replace the front and rear transverse springs for a stiffer ride.

I would stay away from Mr. Goodwrench because your vehicle is 20 years old. It would be hard to find a tech who is knowledgeable working on that suspension system.
 
My understanding is that the OP feels the existing ride is too rough not too soft.

I suppose, when RTD shocks wear out, the ride gets harsh but that makes sense only if the shocks have no damping and the car is bottoming a lot.

If you want a soft ride, whatever you do, don't change to stiffer springs.

Disable RTD by the methods discussed previously, then install a set of Bilsteins from a 96 base model Corvette. Do not use the Z51 Bilsteins.
 
My understanding is that the OP feels the existing ride is too rough not too soft.

I suppose, when RTD shocks wear out, the ride gets harsh but that makes sense only if the shocks have no damping and the car is bottoming a lot.

If you want a soft ride, whatever you do, don't change to stiffer springs.

Disable RTD by the methods discussed previously, then install a set of Bilsteins from a 96 base model Corvette. Do not use the Z51 Bilsteins.



Yes, to stiff.
It does seem to be softening up the more I drive it or I am getting use to it. lol
That was my next question, if I decide to change shocks what would you recommend? I have looked at some Monroe's and Gabriels"s. I figured the Bilsteins would be stiff.
 

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