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HI, Im new here but have learned alot and want to teach alot. I am a collison specialist and not a injection or wireing kinda guy. I can do it if i am sent in the right direction. Has any one completed this and how well does it work?
I am putting a 406 in a wrecked 84 I have around. I was going to carb it but would like fuel injection if I can make it work. I need about 800 cfm.

Thanks Fred
 
ok, I am by no means an expert in this, but if it's not already an injected engine why do you want to go tuned port injection as opposed to sequential port or even multiport fuel injection? and also, what make is this 406? just curious....
 
The engine is out of an old race car. It is a 1970 30 over 400 small block. I have an 800 cfm Holly on it now. I can get tuned port parts cheaper and there is more out there. I also thought it may be an easier swap. Any sugestions?
 
I just read a thread from 02 that gave me some info. I think that I will make some kind of ram air unit for the carb.
 
It depends on your goals and the laws you need to comply with.

This is a large job, converting a CrossFire to a TPI. It starts at the fuel pump and moves forward; involves modifying the engine wiring harness, changing the ECM, the accessories, the 'glass shround for the radiator, fuel lines, etc, etc.

I spent 3 years, but my car is REAL fast and passed SMOG in SoCal. Then, the custom chip was over $1k.

There are alternatives to the stock intake which might make a CrossFire run the pants off a 406. Then, if the car is already carbed................
 
Thanks for the help. I just may be able to make the x-fire do the job. I have started looking for parts. The x-ram sounds like the deal to start with. If any one has any more input, by all means let me know. THANK YOU ALL!
 
I must agree with the speed and sound of whalepirot's car I personally got to check it out this last weekend at Fuddruckers. I want your car.:upthumbs
 
Fudd's in Lake Forest, everyTuesday night

Gee, thanks, Tan. It's nice to hear, after 3 years of work, achieving this result.

In my gargage storage, I have two bored TB's, with re-done bushings, if the Harley guy needs a pair for his project. I would have a PRO rebuild and tune them. they worked just fine, but one tended to leak, probably due to my finesse with the gaskets!

Fatburgers are the best of ANY chain, IMHO. In-N-Out's are good, but Fat's are better, if pricier.
 
I have done alot of research in the past couple of days. You have me headed in the right direction Pirot. Thanks. I have a bone stock 84 x-fire w/58k. I have decided to use this as my test car for the x-ram. I do need the tbs. Let me know how much and we will get together. The cross fire site you told some one about in the past has been most helpful. It took a couple days to get a pass word but was worth the wait. I have just heard so much bad about 84s and the x fires that I stayed with sharks until a couple years ago. I think my 406 car will be pretty cool when done. How well do the rear ends hold up?
 
That is the deal Edmond. Thanks. The prices are not that bad. 425 horses would be my cup of tea.
 
The X-Ram will flow more air, but doesn't have a lot of plenum volume. Some people like it, some don't. There are other options if you want to do a little custom fab work, like the Offy crossram or the SY1 crossram. The big difference is in the runner sizes. There is one guy on the CFI Vault that has track slips of 12.8ET with an X-Ram sitting on top of a 383.

If you do end up swapping manifolds but retaining the EFI, expect to require some custom chip tuning. You can hire a shop to do this, or the tools are available to do it yourself.

As for the drivetrain holding up...the '84 trans and rear end were intended to withstand 205HP, go much beyond that and they will not hold up very well.

Good luck with your project man.

Bill
 
I saw the 12.8 on the cfi vault. Man that is tough. Who makes the sy1. I have seen this all over the cfi vault. I can make a custom hood for the 406 car. I have a bone stocker that I am going to try the x ram on. Just to give her a bump.

Next question. Dana 44. What years where they run in? Are they after market? I will need to go with something stronger in the 406 car.
 
The SY1 was made by Edlebrock but isn't in production anymore. You can still find them now and then on Ebay. "S.Y." = Smokey Yunick

I don't know about the rear ends.

Bill
 
geekinavette said:
As for the drivetrain holding up...the '84 trans and rear end were intended to withstand 205HP, go much beyond that and they will not hold up very well.

Good luck with your project man.

Bill


Bill,

Do the 84's have the 700R4?
 
Rear opinions--all over the place

Bill- You will get opinions, from professionals and non, varying widely regarding your choice of a Dana 36 or 44. There is no question that the 44 is larger and a bit stronger. 'Pros' told me: 1) neither is strong enough, 2) either is strong enough, 3) my 36 broke due to lack of care, indicated by the color of the inner case, 4) the color is normal, and the care was just fine. Consistant opinion was TOTALLY lacking, from guys who do these for a living!

Later C4s, (not sure which year) with manual trannys, came with the 44. 44s can be 1) hard to find, or 2) expensive, or both. You might contact Vettemasterstom@aol.com if you decide to shop. They wrote me, after my new diffy was underway, saying they get them all the time and price them at $1700-2000, used. Tracy Performance sells rebuilt 44s for $4200+.

My experienced, well-reputed diffy shop, who has done fine work for me before, did some checking. Jerry, at Unitrax in Anaheim spent quite a LOT of time on it. They have built diffys for many Vettes, Vipers and all sorts of vehicles, including trucks and motorhomes, and have done it for decades. Jerry speaks the truth, not hype.

I opted for a cryogenically treated, later design Dana 36, as I could not find a reasonably priced 44. The case and the internals were cold-treated for strength; the case, as it is part of the rear suspension and my early-design case had cracked. I changed from a 3.73, contacting on 1 tooth at a time, to a 3.54, with 2, plus a deeper contact area. It differs, depending on the manufacturer. Jerry said I can break this, but could break a 44 as well. With either choice, I would have re-done and hardened the components. I chose Lucas gear lube; synthetic for its better high temperature characteristics, as the exhaust runs right under the diffy. Jerry claims non-synthetic lubes better for 'normal' applications.

The changeover to a 44 is described in other threads. In short, you can redrill the rear holes or buy the shorter C-beam. You will need a Dana 44 rear cover (integral C4 crossmember). I believe the rest of your parts will fit.

I am accumulating miles on this 36 now and put over 500 lb.ft. of torque to this Dana 36. My BFGs spin very readily, :) anytime in 1st, which I prefer to breaking driveline parts. I don't sidestep the clutch and generally treat my machies fairly well (not to say totally pampered). As the old and hard BFGs vaporize, I will seek better traction.
 
geekinavette said:
Yes Sir they do.

Bill

I thought the 700R4's could handle up to 400hp? I know it's different from the rear end, but you did mention the tranny. :confused
 
geekinavette said:
Well if built properly, then yes it can handle a good deal of power. The stock '84 700R4 is not built to handle it.
I got logged out and couldnt get back in. That was scary.

How to build up tranny? Whats the most cost effective and best?
 

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