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I currently have a Holley 750 vac secondary (4160) on my 350 engine. I think its time for a change or rebuild. I was suggested by a friend to pitch the Holley for a Edelbrock Performer carb. He said it was easy to setup and maintain and will give you less problems and better gas mileage. He suggested a 750 cfm performer.

Now I know both are good carbs but I am not sure a 750 cfm is proper for my engine. Yeah it will work but a 600 might work better. I do not race anyone so the highest performing carb is not a real issue. I drive my car for pleasure so I would lean towards the best driver carb that would get the best mileage.

Here are my engine specs,,,I am open for suggestions, and dont give a hoot about original equiptment.

355 ci engine, dual plane intake, 2.02 double hump chevy heads, Crane roller rockers, Crane 288/288 @ 50 cam w/4.80 lift, 10.5 forged pistons, full headers with true dual exh.
 
I believe that an L48 1980 was rated at 795cfm 750 cfm went up to 74 your 75 should have come with a 795cfm I think. I couldn't tell you if you would get better gas milage with a 750 or a 600 , i guess it's all in how it's tuned.
tom
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The original Q-jet that came on your engine was 750 cfm (as were all Vette q-jets). Their key is the vac secondaries that would not allow more fuel flow than the engine could use.

Any vac secondary carb from 600 to 750 cfm should be okay. Will the Edelbrock fit on your intake? If so I would tend to go that way. The q-jets are hard to beat for the street.

tom...
 
Tom

The Edelbrock performer carb will work on my aftermarket manifold using a adapter plate that was furnished with the manifold. It is in use with the Holley, which is also a square bore carb.

I have heard that it's better to get the right size carb for your engine size. According to the math formula that comes out to about 500 cfm on a 350 eng at 6000 rpm. I dont' know why they put 750 quads on a 75 350 eng. as they where only 165 hp and a Briggs and Stratton carb probably would of worked.

I read that by going to a oversize carb you are decreasing the airflow thru the carb due to the larger bores and this can effect your mixing of the air with gas. Maybe this is a problem when racing and isn't a problem on a street car, or maybe it's just something that shows up on a flow test but isn't really important as far as driveability goes as long as you stay with vac. secondaries. It just doesn't seem bigger is better in this case.

As I don't know the answer I thought that maybe someone who works with carbs could tell us. I did call Holley and asked them and was told that they suggested a 650 cfm if I was to replace the carb with another Holley.

Roy
 
Holley 650. You may like Holley 600 for what you want. The formulas are normally for single plane. The Q-J has smaller pri. & sizes itself to the engine.
 
The Edelbrock carbs are easy to set up and tune. But they do suffer from hard braking or cornering manuvers. If you are really looking for a change try a Demon. They run very well and use all the Holley tuning parts. There is a new 625 cfm Road Demon Jr that should work great for your application.

Derek.-
 
Resto75,

Check out the carb selection chart for mechanical double-pumper carburators in the Holley parts catalog that anyone can download from the Holley downloadable catalogs website.

p.s. is under the "fuel" hyperlink on the web page, then go to page 11 on the catalog.
 
Cornering and braking are common complaints on the AFB's

Another complaint is lack of a tunable secondary except for jetting. Edelbrock has just come out with the AVS improved line to counter that.

Much of the hard braking and cornering problems can be addressed with using the spring loaded "off road" 0.095" needles and seats. Unfortunately, from what I just tried last week on mine it doesn't look like you can combine the "high flow" 0.110" seats with the off road 0.095" needles, even though they appear to be the same size and appear to seal (the seats are where the real difference is.) I am going to try it again soon, with more critically adjusted floats to counter the flooding I experienced.

You can overcarb with the AFB design much more than with the Holley design because the secondary is neither vacuum nor mechanical, but air flow driven. The secondaries, to a much larger degree on an AFB than on a Holley, will not open until enough air is pulling through them to demand it. There are limits to this though.

Those formulas are very conservative. With high flow big valves, 750CFM doesn't seem off the mark to me for a SBC. I seem to recall a recent Car Craft or Hot Rod Magazine article from some big dude with Barry Grant who also minimized the importance of the formula and recommended larger CFM.

I run Edlebrock or Carter AFB's on most of my "Fleet of Despair." On the Vette, which has a much weaker engine than yours, I have the 750 all manual with the choke wired open. It starts easily, usually without pumping even once, even in 25 degrees.

You won't hurt an AFB with abuse and backfires and such, but they are dirt sensitive. They are absurdly easy to tune and adjust and almost leak proof. Every normally adjustable thing on them can be changed with the carb on the car, holding gasoline, with no tools more sophisticated than a pair of needlenose pliers, a screwdriver, two torx bits, a drill bit and a small ruler.

They have always worked right out of the box for me, with no adjustments needed to get down the road.

Holley's offer the best tunability, but it is more difficult to tune them and you have to take the carb off to do much of it. Additionally, an unimproved Holley can be rendered castrated with a single backfire due to damage to the Power Valve.

Barry Grant's Demon line is a line of very improved Holley's, just like Edelbrock's Performer is a line of slightly improved Carter AFB's. I had been going to try one soon to see how they work as so many like them. One responder here though hated them - he said they were plagued with flat spots and off idle stumbles that proved difficult to eradicate.

Not being much of a carb tuner, I still have these problems on my Edlebrock on my vette, but to a lesser and lesser degree as I learn what the hell I'm doing and pay close attention to vacuum, air/fuel gauge and spark plug condition.

Just as Edlebrock was not about to let the AFB sit alone, unimproved, for another 25 years while the "fuelie boys" rave on and on about their $1500-5000 fuel injection systems with 800 sensors and four laptops :) Holley decided not to allow the Demon line to hijack the design.

The same responder who was highly critical of the performance of the Barry Grant line was positively silly about how good the new Holley Avenger series is. The Avengers are Holley's "all fixes contained in the original package" offering and I've heard nothing but good things about them.

A last thing on the size issue: A little too little carb and your engine will just not put out the power it could, but will run smoothly and reliably. A little too much and under some circumstances it will run rough and waste gas, but will achieve the highest output at the highest RPM or under the heaviest load.

I will probably stay with Edelbrock's now, until I try forced induction on something, if only because I have 4 vehicles with them and all the tuning kits for them.

Good luck on whatever you pick.
 
For clarification's sake ... Edelbrock offers two entirely different series of carbs ... but both are known as "Performer."

E-Performers based on Carter AFB are series 14xx

E-Performers based on Rochester Q-Jet are series 19xx

JACK:gap
 

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