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Cold air no heat

Dog House

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1989 Bright Red Coupe
As some of you know I have had several issues to deal with sense I got my 89 coupe. The car is out of winter storage and I'm back to work on it.
Over the winter I purchased a used electronic control head for the heater/ac as you could not push the cool button in (it was frozen in place) on the original head.
The blower motor appears to be operating on all speeds but the air flow will not change to the floor or defrost it stays in the vent position.
I am also not getting any heat just cold air. Both hoses to the heater core are hot when the engine is up to temp.
I’m hoping for an easy fix but I don’t think I’m going to be that lucky. Anyone have any ideas what would cause these issues?
Note that the same issues existed with the original control head too.
 
Several issues.
Vent position is controlled by vac.Is the vac line through firewall connected to one way valve by the dist?
Then there is the vac controller operated by the head unit that directs the vac to the relevent vent pot
Heat.
Is the head unit commanding the blend door to move
 
Just getting back to this. I pulled part of the dash apart to check some bad wiring I have and while in there I replaced the heater core, the old one wasn’t leaking but also look original.
The control head is either not sending a signal to the motor that moves the blend door or the motor is shot. Also found out that the blend door connecting rod was bent at a 45 and the clip to hold it onto the motor was gone. I was able to straighten the rod and manually moving the blend door rod I now get heat.
I now want to remove the entire dash to gain access to all of the heater components and the wiring. Do the three rivets above the steering column in the picture need to be drilled out in order to get the dash out?

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Lots of real estate from under the dash pad uh HUH YUp.

I was tracking a short between the PCM and CCM, and needed access to the harness YIKES that was scary :ohnoes

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I honestly do not hink that you need to pull the whole dash panel...since its so large, there are access points to just about everything. Schrade is right about one thing....it IS scarey in there. There are several mounting bolts and/or nuts, but I am not sure about those rivets. I do not think they hold the dash section in place. Just pieces of the dash together if anything.

The vac lines are easy if you know what to look for.
The main line under hood comes off the rear of the plenum to a small check valve with a T right between the distributer and the plenum. That vac hose runs to the firewall where it enters to the cabin.
Inside, it should enter somewhere high passenger side, near the center. From there there will be a couple yellow or orange (some kind of hard line) that runs all the way across the lower dash to the A/C programmer that is mounted just over the gas pedal. From there, the programmer distributes vac lines to the various vent doors. It can be seen in the photos.
The programmer has to be mounted right or it tends not to operate well. It likes to be tight and mounted flat, not cocked to one side or the other. Don;t know why,. but I've seen this a couple times where it would not work until leveled.
Make sure the elect plug is on tight, and check the vac fitting cluster. The control head sends signals to the programmer that operates all the vents. It also is part of the a/c compressor command loop,. so it has to be functional. Its one of 3 control components for the elec a/c system (opt 68).

Usually, a dead vent system defaults the air flow thru the defrost. If you get vents but no def, or floor, that smells like a bad or stuck vent pot. ALSO< the system is very precise in its programming....you may have t o run the temp up and down while set on "heat" or defrost in order for anything to happen. A cold temp number and a heat button almost send air no-where....a hi temp setting thru vents will end up in defrost or floor.
Temp set to 60 over-rides mix and goes to full cold. Same for 90 setting...no mix, all hot air thru the appropiate route, floor and some vent. Any temp set between 60 and 90 will allow the system to blend air and direct where alot of it goes.

Next would be to see if you had Vac at the programmer. if so, then the programmer may be at fault or the vent vac servos may be frozen in place. You CAN look directly thru the center vents to the door that MUST operate at the defroster to get any air to go to other vents. Look in there by removing the center bezel,. and watching as you change from 60 degree auto to defrost and heat. You should see it try to move. If not, then back to tracing the vac source.
You can also access the cross dash hard vac line from behind the stereo and a/c control head. They run with the harness and are bundled together with wires. Look for a hard plastic line thats yellow and about the size of 10 or 12 gauge wire.
You can also try to pull a vac on the main vac line by the plenum to see if it will hold or if it leaks from a break inside the cabin. Because it gets its vac directly from the plenum, there should be no obstruction between the fitting and the firewall unless the vac hose is kinked. The ck valve T needs to be there so fuel fumes cannot enter the cabin thru the vac line.

Another thought, The T under hood,. has 2 lines that go off it...one to the cabin for vent control and the other for the cruise control,. If your cruise line is bad or leaking air, thats part of the vac line to the inside, so that line needs to be fixed too.
 
Boomdriver, I believe the problem is going to be inside the cab. I already checked to see if there was vacuum at the check valve and there is. I also have replaced every vacuum line under the hood. Another reason I’m pulling the dash is to replace a group of burnt wires in the harness that runs just under the dash pad. I’ve tried to find out what the wires are for and the best I can come up with is the radio speakers. Although it has an after market stereo system and the wires are probably not being used I want to make it right just in case they are for something else? In one connecter on the passenger side that has the bad wires there is a Blue, Lt. Blue, Yellow, Brown, Pink/Black and the other I can’t tell what color it is being the coating is burnt off. The wires have electrical tape wrapped around them all the way across the dash to the other side. This connector is not hooked up but there is a two wire connector spliced into it? Should be able to see this in the picture. Its the white and black one.

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the stereo would be a good guess since thats NOT a factory speaker in the door. Beyond that, you've got your hands full !
 
Pictures of connectors, and pinout ID's are at the end of section 200 or 201, in the back of FSM (can't remember Vol 1 or 2). Harness locations also are in this section.

Not scared to dig tho'; good for ya'. That's how you get to KNOW your vette, how it works, where everything is, etc., ...
 
Yup, I found the section with the connectors and also looked at ever wiring diagram in the manual. Looking at the wire colors they appear to be the speaker wires, just not sure what would have made a couple of them fry?
 

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