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Doug Nash 4+3 Operation

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How's everyone doin? New user here.

Wanted to know what the normal operation of the 4+3 is. Bought a '85 about 5 years ago and the trany has always acted in the following manner:
O/D is activated and deactivated ONLY by depressing switch on stick. O/D does NOT deactivate in 2-4 gears when accelerator is depressed all the way.

Other than that car runs GREAT!

Never thought I had a problem until I read someone's post that O/D should act differently. Thanx for all your help in advance!
 
Welcome To The Corvette Action Center vettin1!

Good lookin' Corvette! :upthumbs

Hope this helps:
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Why do people wait for me to respond to your question? I don't even have the 4+3 anymore! Len, or one of the other guys should have chimed in by now. :L

Good luck! :CAC

Ha! Len was there the whole time, eh? ;LOL
 
So, if that makes me "Qiuck Draw McGraw" does that make you "Baba Looie"? ;LOL
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_ken :Silly
 
thanx

I have the GM Shop manual. Looked on those pages and my prob wasn't described there. It works fine as far as I know except for the 2 problems mentioned above. I guess if it works, it works. The result is what's important.
 
The only thing I can suggest is to start checking relays. There is one relay for the overdrive unit located on the firewall, between the brake booster and the windshield wiper motor, that controls the upshift/downshift of the overdrive unit. (I believe. ;))

Sounds like an electrical glitch to me.

_ken :w
 
Vettin1...You may want to also take a look at the switch on the shifter...their are a bunch of wires that lead to this switch. It gets pretty warm and these wires can bet brittle and fray. Don't buy a new switch from GM if you ever need one...expencive...come here and we can direct you to the same switch for a couple bucks.
 
SWEEEEEEEEET!!! Thanks guys, I'll check the wires, I know the relay is fine, it went on me about 8 months ago and the overdrive went dead, so i know it cant b that.
 
This reply is two part. I had similar problems with my '88. It's now up on blocks (temporarily). I cleaned the tranny a bit and changed the clutch, anyway the fluid that came out of the OD pan was thicker than molasses. I thought to my self, this can't be good. It was probably not changed in 15 years. I don't know if this worked yet because of my other problem.
NO REVERSE! The lifter on the shifter moves "something" at the base of the shifter but I can't see anything. What do I need to look for to make sure this release is working? Of note, the reverse/key release feature hasn't worked for about 2 years. I don't think there is a connection though. Also, going through first and second will catch reverse and "wiggle it" a little. You can see this at the linkage from under the car.

Thanks,

Charley
 
Usually, if one has no reverse in the Doug Nash 4+3 transmission, it is a sure sign of overdrive failure. :(

_ken :w
 
O/D is activated and deactivated ONLY by depressing switch

So, why would there be ANY electrical glitch? It switches on and off. Obviously, the relay works and is getting a signal.

Most likely, a previous owner has bypassed all of the factory logic and has modified the wiring to control the O/D with just the switch. This is VERY common.

:w mike:v
 
hey Mike here's a big New York how YOU doin??

Thats what I was thinkin. It WORKS fine. Now for the REAL question, bypassed wires from the stick, at the ECM, in other words where would this mod have taken place and do I have the sweeter deal?? whats your opinion?

Thanx again!
 
where would this mod have taken place

I have done this but suspect the easiest way is to run a new wire to the switch. It just connects to round; thru the ECM, in the 'stock' case.

I am doing great and love to visit the APPLE. Thanks. maybe I'll call you next time I am in town??

Whether it's a better deal of not is up to you. Some owners never understood the logic of the factory setup; thus changed accordingly.

I like the kickdown and can take or leave the rest.
:w mike:v

I speak a bit of Brooklyn: "Hey, How ya doin?"
 
Besides the horrible thought of the OD failure, what else might cause this problem?

Charley
 
what else might cause this problem?

Not enuf info, Charlie.

The Nash is switched by the ECM (grounds a pin on the relay) if certain conditions are met. The relay electrically activates the clutches in the O/D. The logic changed through the C-4 years, and as noted above, many owners tired of the complicated factory logic and opted for control exclusively through the switch.

The factory logic requires the car to be in closed loop conditions, which is somewhat related to temperature. In open loop, the car is not looking for any sensor feedback as things are not warmed up and giving good information to the ECM. Hence, the ECM has certain parameters to control the engine which are limited.

When the ECM senses closed loop conditions exist , part of which includes coolant temperature, it begins to take oxygen sensor voltage information and such. The system now relies upon its sensors; a closed system.

I have seen old oxygen sensors and bad plug wires foul up the overdrive. I posted elsewhere that I fixed a cycling O/D by changing the plug wires--ONLY. I reason that my O-2 sensor was reading a very rich condition, due to less-than-complete combustion and a rich mixture, due to the low vacuum caused by a hotter camshaft.

You see, when the ECM senses lower vacuum, it thinks we have 'our foot in it', asking to accelerate. Therefore, it dumps more fuel into the intake system than is actually required. The ECM can correct and learn, to a degree, but has maximum corection limits. Once it has taken all the fuel out that it has authority to take, that's it, unless your chip has the fuel tables remapped to reflect your engine.

The chippers adjust the tables by accessing the corrections the ECM is applying to try to attain a prefect fuel mixture, for all operating conditions. It is a large task. When you unplug your ECM's power for more than 10 secinds, you are erasing all of this learned information. Sometimes, that is good.

Sorry about the length.
:w Mike:v

What was the question?

Oh. If closed loop exists, your foot has not tripped the kickdown, and certain speed parameters are met (differing logic), the overdrive is available, via the switch.
 

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