Fish Eyeing paint and a wasted week end

[IH2LOSE]

Enclosed is a photo of a portion of my frame,I spent the weekend workin on the car,Saturday went well (the frame I brush painted with east wood chassis black) I was able to install the new gas tank and clean up all the red over spray,My daughter and my son bead blasted some of the bumper brakets and all was good,

Sunday I spent the day whire wheeling,brushing,scraping all the old paint off the frame and tape off every thing,whiped it all down with accetone,the primmed the bare metal then put a light coat on the frame,(this time I decided to use the spray on chassis black) and the coat went on well,On the secound coat I went on a little heavery and it looked well I walked away for dinner when I came back it was all fished eyed.Allmost every part I painted fished eyed.Now I have to take all the paint off again and start over ,I am going to use rustolium spray on black(it seems to stick to every thing )

Talk about wasting alot of time and HARD DIRTY WORK. for nothing

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The photo does not show how bad it is

 

[IH2LOSE]

this picture shows the spindel after I have detailed it.I cant reassemble it untill I repaint the frame.Youll notice the tye rod ends are rusted I just installed them last year and now I CLEAR EVERY THING I also have to re clean them up and then clear em

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[WayneC]

I feel your pain, having had just about the same experience, although mine seemed to be failing at the primer level and had a mottled look in many spots around the frame.

After sulking for about a year, I ended up grinding the bad Imron and primer coats off. Then I used a quality metal cleaner liberally, scrubbing meticulously, and the repaint came out great (same primer and Imron finish coat).... sorry, I'm away from home and cannot recall what cleaner I used, try asking a body shop supply store for a recommendation; I remember it was by a major auto paint manufacturer, not DuPont, possibly PPG, but I'm not sure.

There is a book that came out about 4 years ago about the "Practical Restoration of a 67 Corvette" in which the author also relates (this same experience of) having the frame turn out poorly and having to refinish it again.

Common problem for amateurs, I guess.

 

[67HEAVEN]

Larry, this is why I used Metal-Ready on the sand-blasted frame before brushing on POR-15. Absolutely no problems. The manufacturer of POR-15 insists on the importance of "washing" the metal clean in advance.

Pump sprayed the Metal-Ready on (clear liquid) and brushed it out. After it dried, I vacuumed up the dusty residue left over.

Not the same paint as you used, but I think the principle applies.

 

[Alan76]

Grease,oil silicone residue will cause enamel paints to fisheye your local automotive paint store should have fisheye eliminator.
You pour about an 1/4 to a 0unce in to a Quart of ready to spray paint, should take care of the problem. I also find that cleaning the surface with Laquer thinner will help cleaning the surface of the BARE metal. Not recomened for painted surfaces though



Alan

 

[IH2LOSE]

Thanks guys . I have had fish eye problems in the past with the eastwoods product ( chassis black & under hood black) I WILL NOT PURCHASE AGAIN. I use there other products with great results.Any how hopefully I will get at least the passenger side
re-done this week end.This time with rustoleum.

 

[vette-dude]

DO NOT use fish eliminator with catalyst enamel that uses a hardener. It will mottle the paint just about like what the picture showed. Second, you have to be sure there is absolutely no residue of degreaser, oil, etc. on the frame when you start. The dewaxer that is used to clean the service will mottle the paint also if it is not completely removed. I normally wipe everything down with a rag soaked in lacquer thinner about 5 hours prior to laying on the primer coat. This removes any residual oil, grease or dewaxer left in the pores of the metal. I'm sure you cleaned the frame completely and let it set for a few hours prior to painting. I painted my 58 Silverhawk 5 times because no one told me that the Fish eye stuff can't be used with a hardner used in the two part paint. Finally the paint supplier (who told me to use the fish eye stuff) called the manufacturer (BASF) and they said the two are not compatible when a hardner is used. Hope you get it corrected and good luck.

Randy

 

[Jhjimbo62]

I used a product called rust-free. It was about 95 degrees when I used it which is kind of too hot to use. The product went on really well. It is .100 inches thick. I do not know if it is the correct paint to use. I think it is somewhat like POR15. All of the parts were sandblasted before I started.