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Just went to look at a 69 vette,with aleged a 427 390 horse bb

I found this code on left front of block CE159863 rear of block shows 399289 on casting of block. Vin # on car 194379S724532

Guy says original motor but he's not sure what can you guys tell me?
 
sorry block number was on right side of the car in front.
 
did a bit of looking and I see the casting numbers are for a 454 block? Is this correct? CE was a replacemnt motor from what I saw but unsure?
 
CE= Chevrolet Exchange, Counter (as in parts counter) Exchange, Customer Exchange, or Chevrolet Engine. I've heard all 4 definitions of CE. I believe Chevrolet Engine is the most accurate.

It's a replacement block. The next digit, 1, indicates the year, probably 1971....81? The next digits are an internal number relating to the number of CE's built that year.

Don't have my Black Book handy, so can't help you with the block casting number. It is most definitely not the original motor. Hope this helps. Chuck
 
Most people feel the CE block was a warranty replacement item but opinions vary, the 399289 casting number is for a 73-79 454 however. Is it 399289 or 3999289? See below.



BBC Block Casting Numbers

Cast # CID Yr(s) Main Additional Info & Comments


399289 454 73-79
bolt
3999289 454 72-79 2 or 4 bolt Some "CE" replacement blocks had four bolt main caps
 
I found 3999289 in my Chevy V-8 Engine Casting Numbers Book as:
  • 454 CID ~ 1972 Corvette ~ 270 hp.
  • 454 CID ~ 1972-1975 Chevelle.
  • 454 CID ~ 1972-1976 Passenger.
  • 454 CID ~ 1973-1979 Truck.

Bud

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I was looking for block cast numbers awhile back and someone here pointed me to this site so I figured I'd just pass it along!
Looks like its from a 73-79!

www.mortec.com
 
From Corvette by the Numbers 1955-82 - found no 6 digit engine block #'s but 3999289 is 454, 72,3,4 - 270, 245, 270 HP
 
More info - early 69 427 (until Oct. 68) block # 3955270 then 3963512 - 2-bolt for 390HP and 4-bolt for others.
 
rbyrne said:
From Corvette by the Numbers 1955-82 - found no 6 digit engine block #'s but 3999289 is 454, 72,3,4 - 270, 245, 270 HP

rbyne,
Good catch.. I just went back to my casting numbers book :eek yep NUMBER should be 3999289 and NOT 399289

Bud
 
If you look on the passenger side bellhousing flange, "sort of" behind the distributor, you'll find the casting date of the block. Will be something like F 14 1

In this example of a casting date, F is June ( A=Jan, B=Feb., etc), 14 is the date (the fourteenth of the month), and 1 is the year (1971, 81, etc). I'll bet with that CE number that this block was cast in late 1971, for use in the 72 "model year". Chuck
 
Early in 69 there were a couple of other casting number possibilities, but the most common ends in 512, which carried over into the 70 454's and up into 71 also. Obviously this number is 72 or newer.

For future reference, here's a couple of things you might keep in mind: They've all got casting dates somewhere. The earlier 69's and older had them down on the side of the block roughly in the area of the front of the starter. Sometime in the year they moved them up on the bellhousing flange of the block, kinda down behind the distributor, off to the right side. These numbers are easy to read, hard to fake, and cut through a lot of the original engine BS when compared to the build date of the car. They would run in a sequence such as A 10 9, meaning January 10th of 69, B - Feb, C - March, etc.

Incidentally, when describing the side of a block (or anything else on the car) its from a sitting in the seat perspective. The passenger side is always referred to as the right side. Chevy didn't do any pads for engine stamps on the left side.

Just because the car has a later engine doesn't necessarily mean you should pass on it if it's a good car otherwise. There are a number of telltale signs to indicate that it's an original factory big block car.
 
Chuck, sorry for duplicating what you already wrote, didn't see it until I went back.

RByrne, the 400 horse engine, which was basically a tri power stuck on a 390 was 2 bolt also. There was also one additional block casting number possibility in early 69, but I can't recall it now. It's shown in several documented original engined cars, all SHP or HD if I remember correctly. Most of the "numbers experts" miss it in their publications.
 

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