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I have a question concerning the weight factor of a vehicle.

Let's say we have two cars. Both cars are exactly the same other than weight and horsepower. Car A weighs 3,200 pounds, and has 200 horsepower. Car B weighs 3,500 pounds. How much more horsepower is car B going to need to accelerate as quickly as car A? Is there any equation or known factor out there that comes close to figuring this out?
 
3,200 lbs and 200 hp equal 16 lbs per hp.
3,500 lbs divided by 16 lbs per hp equals 218.75 hp

tom...
 
:duh :duh :duh

Thanks, I guess it's been a long day!

I'm surprised 300 pounds only needs 18 horsepower to equal it out. I thought it would be more.



Brett
 
Brett said:
I'm surprised 300 pounds only needs 18 horsepower to equal it out. I thought it would be more.
That is a low hp number to start with. Say you started out with 500hp, that would be 6.4 lbs per hp. So for a 3500 lb car you would need an additional 46.87 hp to equal the 6.4 figure.

So to get performance you can add HP or you can substract pounds. Best to do both :)

tom...
 
Just thinking out loud here...
Is it that easy?

Horsepower is a unit of work.
acceleration is derived from force (F=MA)

force does not equal work???
 
The pounds per HP is just a generic guide. I am sure that there is tons more to it.

tom...
 
DRTH VTR said:
Just thinking out loud here...
Is it that easy?

Horsepower is a unit of work.
acceleration is derived from force (F=MA)

force does not equal work???

It's just about that easy, particularly when you are dealing with incremental changes on the same vehicle.

Rearanging your equation:

A=F/M

another well known relationship is:

F=Power/Velocity = P/V

combining the two equations:

A=P/VM

You can see that as long as P/M is kept constant and M doesn't change, A is the same.

Dick
 
You guys gotta stop with these equations! :L I actually lost sleep to this physics class from years ago and these equations are giving me flashbacks! :L
 
i'll throw in the Drag Racer's philosophy handbook at you guys :D

for every 100 lbs less weight add 1 tenth to a 1/4 mile

for every 10hp add 1 tenth and 1 mph in a 1/4 mile

for low hp number that you stated "200" this would be about right. more hp the more hp it takes to get that 1 tenth quicker ET. so far it seems to work from 14.0 seconds to 12.0 second i think quicker than 12.0 seconds it would take a few more hp to better the 1 tenth gain not too sure though.
 
probably the easiest way is go to your search engine and punch in "engine calculator"...this will bring up alot of sites that let you punch in weight/mph etc...to figure out aprox horsepower and et...the only thing is these calculators are for ideal conditions and dont take into account track and weather conditions etc...they are pretty cool to play around with to get aproximate ideas on your cars performance
 
jenavet said:
probably the easiest way is go to your search engine and punch in "engine calculator"...this will bring up alot of sites that let you punch in weight/mph etc...to figure out aprox horsepower and et...the only thing is these calculators are for ideal conditions and dont take into account track and weather conditions etc...they are pretty cool to play around with to get aproximate ideas on your cars performance

There are also online calculators to correct for temperature, altitude and humidity. I don't remember where I saw them but a conversation with Mr Google should find them.

Speed is a better indicator of HP than ET because traction doesn't effect speed as much as ET.

Dick
 
i am finding that these calcualtors are all over the map....my car is 2420 with me in it and i have only 3 passes on my new motor...it ran a 9.76 @ 137 mph.....every calculator using that info has predicted a different horsepower...anywhere from 577 up to 668 horsepower at the flywheel,and 480-525 at the rear wheels...and thats just too major a difference to determine what is accurate.....if i plug all the engine specifics into the dyno computer software,including all the cylinder head flow figures,it predicts a max hp of 543 @6500 rpm.....


i guess the only way to be sure is to spend the 400.00 and drop her on a real dyno for the day...i had my spare motor dynoed and the info that i recieved was extremely usefull........probably saved me 2-3 weeks of tweaking at the track.

the biggest things that stood out when i had my spare dynoed was

-the amount of oil in the pan affected horsepower and oil pressure...the more oil in the pan,the lower my oil pressure and the less horsepower it produced over 4500 rpm

-cam timing didnt seem to affect peak horsepower,but it moved my peak torque around in the rpm band....i wanted more bottom end torque,so using the dyno i was able to adjust cam timing so it increased torque where i wanted it....valve lash was a big factor in torque as well

-total timing was a big factor in hp....felt safest at 36 degrees,but made most power/torque at 40 degrees

-header tube size was a big factor in hp....going from a 1/78 header tube,to a 2 inch header tube increased hp across the board by 30 hp

-this motor isnt a tpi...its carbed....put a 2 inch carb spacer on and it increased hp by 20 from 3800 rpm up.

it was amazing how much small things affected the way the motor performed,and how some big things didnt change a thing....either way it was 400.00 well spent
 
jenavet said:
....my car is 2420 with me in it and i have only 3 passes on my new motor...it ran a 9.76 @ 137 mph
What are you driving that only weighs 2420# with you in it? My tube-frame Grand Sport weighed 2340# with a half-tank of fuel, about 900# lighter than a production Corvette.
:beer
 
Making a car lighter...

How do you do it? Do you try to replace as much of the panels and materials with expensive lightweight materials like carbon fiber?

Is it worth it? Wouldn't it be easier to tune for more HP as opposed to dropping curb weight?
 
Edmond said:
How do you do it? Do you try to replace as much of the panels and materials with expensive lightweight materials like carbon fiber?

Is it worth it? Wouldn't it be easier to tune for more HP as opposed to dropping curb weight?
Aside from switching out parts with lighter components, I think you mostly do it by removing creature comforts, like air conditioning, etc, and unnecessary parts of the structure.

For considerable lightening, it's not that practical for someone that wants to preserve their vehicle. It's pretty much reserved for hard-core drag racing only.

And Jenavet, I'm with JohnZ---2420 pounds?:eek What are you driving, and what did you do to it?
 

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