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It is true! Cars Breakdown From No Usage

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I am beginning to believe that cars breakdown with little to no usage...that is, the more they sit, the higher the likelyhood that it will breakdown next time you use it.

Case in point, my beloved Vette! :eyerole:ugh;squint:;)

Today, I decided to cruise it to my work. Just as probably all of you who use a Friday as a pretext to drive your toy and make for a great start-of-weekend drive home.

And continuing with the festive mood, I figure I go fetch myself something tasty during lunch, and then it happened...:confused:ugh;squint::mad

I lowered the windows, inserted the key in the ignition, turned the key, and Vrooom, engine start! And I heard that sweet sound of her cam lopping...for all of about 3 to 4 seconds, and then dead!!!!:eek:eek:eek

What now? :confused:confused:confused

The engine was dead, the radio was dead, the horn was dead, the gauges were dead, and another turn of the key, confirmed that there was something wrong with my Gail.

So, I am looking around the engine bay for lose wires or a sign of something shorting or something...I go ahead and wiggle a few wires, and nothing.

I momentarily have a lapse of memory, and I insert the key and try raising the windows...immediately remind myself that 'Gerry, you dummy..., she's dead why would you try in raising her windows'...and then it hit me..."oh no. I cannot risk the chance to leave her here if the windows do not come up'.

So it was fortunate that it happened to me at lunch and not at quitting time...that would have sucked even more. So, I get my insurance information. I call Hagerty Insurance, and I select the road assistance option. In no time, they set me up with a platform tow truck, with soft tie down, and I waited only 40 minutes for it to show.

I explained my situation with the boss, and I told him that given the dead symptom of the entire car, I suspected the in-line fuse for the starter extension harness. I also explained to him that I would not be able to find a replacement locally, so I might as well take her home.

The truck guy comes by and we load Gail on the back of the flatbed. I was so frustrated with the whole situation, that I even forgot to snap a couple of pictures.

At, home. I went ahead and cleared the garage, and I asked the tow truck guy to drop her right in the middle of my garage. After the truck left, I just cooled myself inside my house and tried to not think about her that much. An hour later, I went in the garage, and I jacked her front up and place jack stands under her. I grabbed my multimeter, and I first checked the,"BAT", lead at the distributor. I confirmed that it had no juice. I then consulted the wiring diagram and circuit operation, and figured that I should check for 12 volts at the starter...check! So then I figure that I should check the starter extension harness where it connects with the blower....hummm, no juice? Why? Why? oh! this connector does not look good. It looks like it overheated (melted plastic. terminals exposed), so I thought that perhaps thats where it started, but why no juice still??? Dumas, turn the ignition key. Alright, and when I do, and check the leads, I find 12 volt on three terminals...alright! Now we're getting somewhere...

So then, I cleaned the contacts and I figure that if I connect it again, and the fan does not run, then I know that the in-line fuse was toast, but what really happened was that I reconnected the harness, and she began to give signs of life. Still, her extension harness connector is looking really bad. I wonder why it shorted..can moisture do that? I better order one...

So that's how the day went, and now I am beginning to think that she has given me more problems spending most of her remaining life parked, than when I was driving her all over creation for nearly 148K miles.

So I am beginning to think that the old adage is correct. Use it or lose it!

If she ain't broke, then don't fix her, but if you don't break the couch seal, then she's fixing to give you trouble. :mad:ugh:ohnoes;shrug:hb:(

GerryLP:cool
p.s. A small plug for Hagerty Insurance. They have always treated me outstandingly!!!! On Gail's little mishap last November, and now with the road assistance. Outstanding service, Hagerty!
 
I wonder if it went bad with age????
 
I wonder if it went bad with age????

Me too, Bill.

Mind you, I have not found any bad fuses, so it is a bit scary. I was planning in working on the Acadian this weekend, for I am planning to drive it in the middle of October to California for the So Cal Novas' annual BBQ, but even though I can get her running with way the extension harness is, it is scary, and I won't take the chance of her catching on fire. So I will wait until I I get it, and then work weekdays on the Acadian and ready it for the trip.

GerryLP :cool
 
That connector on the starter extension harness is one of those "Maybe not today, but it's going to fail" things. Normal current thru it is fine, but with age, the terminals oxidize. Oxidation causes resistance, resistance causes heat, heat melts plastic.

Couple of ways to fix it- replace the connector shell and terminals on both ends (engine harness and starter harness), or cut the whole thing out and wire it up like they used to be. Nothing in those lines except the fusible links at the solenoid.
 
That connector on the starter extension harness is one of those "Maybe not today, but it's going to fail" things. Normal current thru it is fine, but with age, the terminals oxidize. Oxidation causes resistance, resistance causes heat, heat melts plastic.

Couple of ways to fix it- replace the connector shell and terminals on both ends (engine harness and starter harness), or cut the whole thing out and wire it up like they used to be. Nothing in those lines except the fusible links at the solenoid.

I ordered a new one already, but I did check to see anyone had the connectors or a replacement harness, and no way nor where to find one.

It is an original harness, so I guess that it ran its service.

GerryLP:cool
 
Real bummer. And how is someone supposed to predict that.
I guess these wires sit in a lot of heat most of the time but there's no way to know when and where they will fail.
Ask me how I know. 'Vette came back home last summer in the back of a flatbed due to a broken fusible link. Not a whole lot going on there too. :)
 
Here is the culprit ;squint::mad:ugh:eyerole;):D:L at least nothing major happened...:)


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GerryLP:cool
 
What's the other end of that connector look like? Anything like that one and you're setting yourself up for another trip on the flatbed.

If the plastic connector is OK, you can replace the terminals in it. I think you can get a new connector from Lectric Limited if you need it.

Good job tracking that down BTW. You'd be surprised how many don't even think of anything past the fusible links..
 
Gerry,that looks like it was a loose connection!! :ugh:ugh
What wire(s)is that????:confused
It doesn't look like the starter wire.
 
Here is the culprit ;squint::mad:ugh:eyerole;):D:L at least nothing major happened...:)


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GerryLP:cool

Gerry- my '78 had the EXACT SAME PROBLEM!

When the extension harness tanked... it drove me NUTS finding it.
:W


Glad you found it before the plastic caught fire. :ugh
 
Gerry,that looks like it was a loose connection!! :ugh:ugh
What wire(s)is that????:confused
It doesn't look like the starter wire.

Hey Bill,

That is the other end of the starter extension harness. The plastic shield clips to the aluminum bracket behind the RH cylinder head to hold it from sagging into the exhaust manifold. The power is routed from the starter to the blower. The other end has the two legs of fusible links (what I've been calling the in-line fuse) at the other end of this harness. ;)

GerryLP:cool
 

It's true. Gail's first 148K miles where trouble free, and then I decided to restore her back to her youth (as close as possible to her splendor and stamina) when she was only 14K miles (literally, plastic surgery :L;LOL ).

Now, I keep her tucked away for routine local trips, and bring her out for long-haul trips (i,e, last Cruise Fest), but she gives me more trouble in local occasional trips...oh well, at least she brings me home from long trips.

GerryLP:cool
 
Kind of off the topic, but not really-

I work on big airplanes- As long as we fly the crap out of them they stay really reliable, nothing other than minor problems that are easy to fix- burned out light bulbs and things like that. Let the thing set for 24 hours, cold, no power no movement and you can spend another 24 hours before you can chase down and fix all the goofy problems that pop up.

I've had a couple exceptions to that too, we had one that would be perfect for days- until you got out to some remote "out in the sticks" airport with no way to get spare parts easily. then it would break. Called that one "Christine". Everyone in the company knew which one iot was by name- tail number was not needed.
 
Kind of off the topic, but not really-

I work on big airplanes- As long as we fly the crap out of them they stay really reliable, nothing other than minor problems that are easy to fix- burned out light bulbs and things like that. Let the thing set for 24 hours, cold, no power no movement and you can spend another 24 hours before you can chase down and fix all the goofy problems that pop up.

I've had a couple exceptions to that too, we had one that would be perfect for days- until you got out to some remote "out in the sticks" airport with no way to get spare parts easily. then it would break. Called that one "Christine". Everyone in the company knew which one iot was by name- tail number was not needed.

That's so true, so, so true. :D

I got the harness last Wednesday, but could not replace until today. I cleaned the contacts on the white connector and I added dielectric grease to keep the moisture out. Took her out for a drive and she was her behaving self again :)

GerryLP :cool
 

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