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Stallion said:Why is that? You know how you see MPG ratings when you see the specs on a car, and it's (for example) 13 city, 17 highway. Technically, why is this?
For more information concerning fuel economy questions, see: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Q. HOW ARE FUEL ECONOMY ESTIMATES OBTAINED?
A. The fuel economy estimates are based on results of tests required by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). These tests are used to certify that vehicles meet the Federal emissions and fuel economy standards. Manufacturers test pre-production prototypes of the new vehicle models and submit the test results to EPA. EPA re-tests about 10% of vehicle models to confirm manufacturer's results. The vehicles are driven by a professional driver under controlled laboratory conditions, on an instrument similar to a treadmill. These procedures ensure that each vehicle is tested under identical conditions; therefore, the results can be compared with confidence.
There are two different fuel economy estimates for each vehicle in the Fuel Economy Guide, one for city driving and one for highway driving. To generate these two estimates, separate tests are used to represent typical everyday driving in a city and in a rural setting. Two kinds of engine starts are used: the cold start, which is similar to starting a car in the morning after it has been parked all night; and the hot start, similar to restarting a vehicle after it has been warmed up, driven, and stopped for a short time.
The test used to determine the city fuel economy estimate simulates an 11-mile, stop-and-go trip with an average speed of 20 miles per hour (mph). The trip takes 31 minutes and has 23 stops. About 18 percent of the time is spent idling, as in waiting at traffic lights or in rush hour traffic. The maximum speed is 56 mph. The engine is initially started after being parked overnight. Vehicles are tested at 68 F to 86 F ambient temperature.
The test to determine the highway fuel economy estimate represents a mixture of "non-city" driving. Segments corresponding to different kinds of rural roads and interstate highways are included. The test simulates a 10-mile trip and averages 48 mph. The maximum speed is 60 mph. The test is run with the engine warmed up and has little idling time and no stops (except at the end of the test).
NOTE: To make the numbers in the Fuel Economy Guide more useful for consumers, EPA adjusts these laboratory test results to account for the difference between controlled laboratory conditions and actual driving on the road. The laboratory fuel economy results are adjusted downward to arrive at the estimates in the Fuel Economy Guide and on the labels seen on new cars, light trucks, and vans. The city estimate is lowered by 10% and the highway estimate by 22% from the laboratory test results. Experience has proven that these adjustments make the mileage estimates in the Fuel Economy Guide correspond more closely to the actual fuel economy realized by the average driver.
Because acceleration is a vector you can stay at a constant speed on a highway and still accelerate by changing direction.DRTH VTR said:On the highway, all fuel is used to overcome resistance to forward motion. Acceleration occurs once. In town, some of the energy is wasted as brake heat, resulting in kinetic energy being converted to heat. Acceleration also occurs more often.
Don't hybrid cars get better gasmilage around the town because they use the electric motor to accelerate from stop lights(etc.) The gas or diseal motor then starts up after the car is moving. Since it takes more engery to get an object at rest moving the electric motor is used, which prevents excess use of gas. Therefore their highway MPG is lower because while on a highway the gas motor is used not the electric one.DRTH VTR said:In the hybrid cars, town mileage is better than on the highway. Braking is done by converting knetic energy into potential energy that goes into the battery. Less is wasted heating brakes. The highway mileage can be worse in the hybrid cars because resistance to movement (mostly air resistance) is close to the square of the speed, so faster speed means more resistance. I hope this makes some sense.
True enough. I don't believe rotational acceleration and direction change takes nearly as much energy off the car as does braking, but you make your point.corvettecrazy said:Because acceleration is a vector you can stay at a constant speed on a highway and still accelerate by changing direction.
Also true, but where does the electric power come from? It is either converted from the rotaional energy of the engine, or by converting the forward motion of the vehicle into electricity via a generator. Both of those things eventually require a fuel input.corvettecrazy said:Don't hybrid cars get better gasmilage around the town because they use the electric motor to accelerate from stop lights(etc.) The gas or diseal motor then starts up after the car is moving. Since it takes more engery to get an object at rest moving the electric motor is used, which prevents excess use of gas. Therefore their highway MPG is lower because while on a highway the gas motor is used not the electric one.
I participated in a lengthy thread where people split hairs over the meaning of the word drag. I tried to avoid this by using air resistance. Perhaps rolling resistance wouuld have been better.corvettecrazy said:"air resistance" you mean drag.