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i posted this a long time ago, and recieved some great information, however, i tried searching for the old posts and couldnt find a thing. Anyways, very soon I will be doing the switch to nordskog red digital gauges, Just wanted to make sure I have the sizes right. Tach and speedo are 5 inchers, the rest of the gauges are 2 1/16 or 2 1/4 correct? I have found these small gauges for 70 bucks a pop, doubt it but has anyone seen them cheaper?

Also, 2 people wrote great stories about their installations, but again, those stories went the way of the dodo. If I re-use all sending units, just drop in the new gauges, no replacing of anything else behind the gauges panel or anything like that, how long is it "estimated" to take? Thanks for all the help, now that the California Rain is over (for the moment) it's time to clean up my poor abused '80.
 
Took me most of the day to get mine all wired in a fitting right. I had to grind on the back side of the bezel so the guages would set in the holes. If you install the air/fuel guage, I wouldn't hook up the dimming feature for it. I have a problem with mine that I stillhave not resolved. the fuel guage turns on and off constantly due to too high of voltage. If I run my park lights then the voltage is low enough that the guage won't get hot and reset. That's why I mention the air/fuel dimming, because in the daylight with it dimmed from park lights on, it isn't very bright. Another thing to consider is the amount of fuel in your tank. It works best to switch to the new guage with almost no fuel in the tank. That way you know right away at which percentage you will run out of gas. Summit has the guages for 59.88 each. You may want to look into Dakota Digital, I believe they have a setup for you vehicle that changes out your current cluster.
 
I have the complete Nordskog main and center panels

and an auxilliary 8 gauge dashtop panel I made to conform with the vision already blocked by the L88+ hood center!!!

(What can I say...I'm a gauge freak!)

Mine are also in red, except for a few on the auxilliary panel - which are not all Nordskog - and some are about to be changed out for other gauges. (The twin A/F's are white faced Ultralights - and they now have black faced ones and I have redundant voltage and baby tach which need to become something else such as twin exhaust gas pyrometers or even something mundane like a clock and intake air temp - which I already have here.)

It took me a good 2 1/2 months of hours a day to rebuild all the gauge panels, the vent system, the wiring and the trim. The worst thing about the gauges portion was both building a sensible modular harness system with a few plugs instead of direct hard wiring everything and repairing the numerous cracked old gauge panels. (I used all the posi-lock type connectors and 4 and six pin trailer-type connectors.)

I had no similar problem with my fuel gauge and use the original sender. The only problems I have noticed in the 20-30,000 miles and some year and a half or better since I did this are the bright indicator is flaky and very rarely the whole speedometer gauge display cuts out for a minute. It never loses odometer info or the set for the proper speed ratio setting and I suspect a display only power ground fault.

I now have pretty much Nordskog sensors for all the main functions, including vacuum/boost and fuel pressure. I want to switch to the newer Denso or another brand O2 sensors because they verge on wide band fast read levels of performance for under $100.

I need to take the POS into the latest find the unfindable problem place my engine builder has shuffled me off to tomorrow after recovering from a worn out bronze distributor gear I questioned him using in the first place and then replacing the entire ignition system to MSD 6AL and pro billet distributor. (It runs but terribly.) If I warm it up tonight I'll take a pic and try to figure out how to upload it, but you'll have to promise to not look in the mirror at the torn top I have been too afraid to replace for the 15 months that I've had the new top.. :)

BTW, the nordskog center section was reasonably straight forward installing but not so with the tach/speedo section. It was NOT drop in and I found the way they mounted the boards and displays "iffy". Besides consuming the majority of the 20 odd tubes of epoxy I used in this particular project, I actually had to take a dremel to one of the circuit boards to make it fit in the housing. This is a very unnerving thing to do to a component of a $450 kit, but was straightforward enough once I realized there was no way around it...

That panel is very difficult to remove from a mid C3 like mine and is best done after you totally removed the upper dash instead of trying to wiggle it back and forth. Expect a lot of broken flanges and cracked housings in something 30 years old. Your old lenses will almost certainly be so scratched as to really detract form the appearance of your new glowing gaugery. (Yes "gaugery" is now a word!)

I recommend you have the following before doing it:
Fully detailed wiring diagrams
Plenty of wire in as many colors as possible
Black duct tape for sealing of light sources in the back
Plenty of tubes of good two part epoxy for inevitable repairs
Plenty of electrical connectors
New gauge lenses from a vette parts place
Disposable gloves
Masking tape
All possible good tools - wire strippers, crimpers, cutters, small wrenchs, nutrunners, screwdrivers, dremel, small drill bit for the inevitable broken screw areas you have to epoxy and redrill, etc.

Don't expect the speedo/tach panel to be a one day drop in even if you're lucky. It's hard for me to estimate what portion of that hellish 10 odd weeks was one that but I'm sure it was a good 45-60 hours at a minimum. Note the Nordskog gauges are just the display circuit boards the connections and some dark lense inserts - and very good detailed instructions. They are NOT whole self contained gauges like a standard automotive gauges. You have to reuse your housings.

That's why Dakota Digital will charge you $500 over the cost of the actual gauges to install them in your housings and take two weeks. It's probably worth it. An other option may be to get new housings from a vette supplier so you aren't dealing with all the old broken stuff and the car being down while you do all of it. I wish I had done that.

Even if you don't do a whole modification/repair of all the dash stuff, this is an excellent time to at least check all the wiring and replace the 475,192 ancient and leaking vacuum lines in there. I didn't have much really bad wiring, which is rare, but the vacuum lines and such were dried and broken. (I switched the entire car vacuum system to all metal junctures and the high end silicone vac hose from HoseTechniques (do NOT use the soft-when-warm crap from Autozone!))

This is also a good time to use one of the kits to modify the radio slot to install a modern head unit or get one of the now available newly made consoles that feature that. For the main power and ground I ran two new seperate 10 gauge wires, both with an inline fuse (yes, the ground too - most of this stuff on these cars are not grounded to the frame and they use that in the designs - it's not bad to have a backup failsafe) straight to the main battery connections. You want a good voltage source without noise for voltmeters and other sensitive electronics.

Oh, one last thing - you WANT the red. I tried blue and green like the equal quality Dakota Digital packages and saw the amber. They are nearly invisible in even medium sunlight. The red you can see with 4:00 afternoon sun right on them wearing sunglasses even. I prefer blue too - it just isn't bright enough. Likewise I also very much recommend setting up the dimmer circuit for nighttime use. Full bright red at night is pretty harsh - althought I put an extra switch in there so I could defeat this if I wanted them bright.

After all this - was it worth it? Oh you BETCHA! They look stunning and respond perfectly. Of all the things I've done so far to this thing this has the most impact in the moment to moment driving of the car.
 
Wayne, you have got to get us some pictures. Also, the only sensor I reused as original was the fuel sender; all the rest were Bosch recommended units, and my guages were the auto style 2 5/16 in their own case. O2 sensor is a Bosch heated type.
 
Managed to take some poor pics, but I B 2 dum 2 post....

It's really, really, pathetically sad I was a (barely) passing Jr. in CSE at SMU exactly 20 years ago when I dropped out for the last time....I have no idea how to post a pic.:confused

I don't have a webpage or a pic posting thingy - only the third time I used the camera Dell included with the laptop in 15 months anyhow - Dad was the pic taker, not I. I really don't wish to spend any money or effort to set up either now....either.

Is there a way to upload a pic file directly or what - straight from my computer with no web address dealy?

I don't want to invest a great deal of effort on these really poor pics, but am I missing something obvious?

My email is not currently operational - it's a meta redirector thing from a friend's system that used to go to my Earthlink one I fired last month when I got Netscape. I will only have this Netscape service until my DSL arrives.
 
Wayne, there is a help section here someplace to get your pictures up. Basically use the manage attachments button below where you type in your posts. It allows you to upload pictures. If you need toshrink them down, this place has a free program that is easy to use http://www.irfanview.com/index.htm The camera that came with your Dell is probably same as mine, and there was a cord with it. Just plug the cord into the proper jack in the rear of your computer. Turn OFF the camera and plug the cord into camera. Go to your desktop and turn ON the camera. A wizard will help you out with downloading to your computer. It is easy. Never plug the camera in when it is ON. good luck!
 
I put the Nordskog digital dash in my CJ5, nothing but problems ever since , i am on my third unit from them in 5 years, They went by another name before that i can't remember, then changed names to Nordskog. Good luck guys but for me , never again.
 
Nordskog has been around for a gadjillion years, but

They use some of the same circuitry as some of the others - you can see it marked "Intellitronix" on some of the gauges. Cyberdyne also uses some of these, and Intellitronix itself sells some direct. I recall some of the generic Summit and Jeg's in-house offerings also use these components.

As far as I know Dakota Digital and Dolphin's lines are different animals, but I haven't checked this directly.

Without a doubt there are some reliability issues with any digital electronic circuits versus decent analog ones. I haven't had these kinds of problems, but, as I said, I have had a few bugs - none have remained for long (fortunately.)

Ideally, I'd like the sensors to feed standardized signals - 4-20mA, 01-V, 0-1k Ohms, etc. into a centralized computer that had a configurable graphics display as are used in many industrial settings. Some things like this exist, such as the various data acquisition systems used in racing, but as far as I know, none are premade that are as user flexible for automotive use as these stand-alone gauges and panels - or that are intended mainly for active display of info in the cockpit.

There is nothing wrong with nice original or other analog gauges, and I carefully preserved all of mine - even the tach, which was not working correctly. I like the bright and centralized gauges though and really was glad I did it.

Thank you Curtis for the advice on pic upload - I'll take a look at that shorty.

Curtis - I've tried the "Manage Attachment" dealy a few times now, both as a an edit and as a new post, and it never activates but gives me an "Error on page" in the message line at the bottom of the screen. I just have to face it, I'm far, far too dumb to actually post a pic... :cry
 

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