Paint delays Baby

[BarryK]

Well, I stopped by the shop today to check on Baby and was hoping to see some color on her today but no luck.
The paint supplier is having a lot of trouble getting the paint mixed properly for the correct tint and metallic levels. So far they have mixed up 4 sample pints for us to look at but none have been correct. Each time they have to redo it again it's a 2 day process as they are about 35 minutes from the shop Baby is at and they have to go back and redo the mixing the next day and than deliver that the next day........
My shop was expecting another sample of paint this afternoon from them - if it's correct finally than he can start spraying on Monday. If it's still wrong than the delay will continue. I hate this hold-up but I am also thrilled that my painter is such a perfectionist that he won't accept anything less than what is absolutely correct! With a reason as good as that there is no way I'll feel bad about the hold-up on progress. After 7 months spent getting the body as perfect as possible it would be a shame to ruin it by spraying the wrong color on her. :L

I guess I will wait and see what next week brings.

 

[IH2LOSE]

Barry sorry for the delay, But I under stand the concerns with having the proper color, Isnt ther just a factory mix you could get direct from the manufacturer? You know years ago as a teen ager I use to work in a body shop and used to have to mix the paints for the painters.I was real easey you just had to mix the collors you were using and then follow a formula with excact amounts of what tint and they were always right on.You would think it would be easeyer with todays tecnologies

 

[67HEAVEN]

Tell them to use the mixing machine at Home Depot. :gap

 

[paul67]

Barry,
What criterion is the painter using to say aye-or-nay to a colour that is almost 40-years-old? Even then tones varied. This is not intended to a be a critical comment but at some some point........?

 

[studiog]

Kaboom

Tell them to use the mixing machine at Home Depot. :gap

That reminds me...
I took my Slicksand high build primer (very thick stuff) cans to Lowes to have them shaken and they refused to do it saying the cans might blow up

I took them to my local hardware store and they shook them for me at no charge. They said there are some paints like aluminium paint that can explode as the shaking releases gases but auto primers aren't a problem.

 

[BarryK]

Barry sorry for the delay, But I under stand the concerns with having the proper color, Isnt ther just a factory mix you could get direct from the manufacturer? You know years ago as a teen ager I use to work in a body shop and used to have to mix the paints for the painters.I was real easey you just had to mix the collors you were using and then follow a formula with excact amounts of what tint and they were always right on.You would think it would be easeyer with todays tecnologies

Hi Larry

The problem as it has been explained to me (by more than one person, so I am taking it as true) is that while the formulas for the original color is still available - it's even in the PPG paint suppliers book, that formula is for lacquer paints that existed in 1965. Getting the exact color tint correct using todays modern lacquers would still be difficult because of the changes in the paint itself but it;s more difficult yet because we are using BC/CC instead of lacquer. The differences in the paint type itself makes it difficult to match to the original color tint. Also, todays modern paints tend to have more iredescence (sp?) in them and that really screws up the look of the paint compared to the proper original color.
yes, you would think that with todays modern paints and technology it would be easier but it seems to be that the advancements actually are making it harder to get the true tint of the original color.

Before we decided to paint the whole car and the plan was to just retouch of a few areas I had a pint of the PPG lacquer made up and except for the metallic level being slightly off the tint was fairly close (not perfect but a lot closer than we have gotten so far with the BC/CC paints). With the BC/CC it's been a nightmare and the tint of the color has been way off.
the last sample batch that they brought on Wed was actually a very pretty color even though it was wrong. It was way too red for a proper Milano Maroon. It's almost a shame I'm trying to keep the car as stock as possible in looks or I'd be very tempted to use that mix as a nice "custom" color.

Barry

 

[BarryK]

Tell them to use the mixing machine at Home Depot. :gap

funny bob!


should i just use their house brand of paint too?

 

[BarryK]

Barry,
What criterion is the painter using to say aye-or-nay to a colour that is almost 40-years-old? Even then tones varied. This is not intended to a be a critical comment but at some some point........?

Hi Paul

he using two very major tools for this decision on the paint. The first one is his 30+ years in specializing in older Vettes, and the second is an original GM color chip sample of the Milano Maroon.

I agree, at some point you just have to say "this is close enough" but unfortuntely so far all the samples mixed were nowhere near the point of being even closely passable as a correct Milano Maroon. The differences were just too great. they were either too brown or too red or too much metallic in the paint.
\We both know we won't get the EXACT color as in 1965 but we are trying to get as close as possible using todays paints.

Wait till you get to that stage yourself on your car!

hmmmm, I remember meeting Rich L. at Carlisle last year when his car was at the Meguiars booth and I asked him about the color red he had on his car. I also remember him telling me it took a lot of time and mixing to get just the right tint he was looking for and that wasn't even trying to match up to something from 40 years ago.

Barry

 

[67HEAVEN]

should i just use their house brand of paint too?

Strange you should say that, Barry. I've tried many brands of paint around the house over the years, and Home Depot's house brand (made by Glidden for the Canadian stores) is the best I've ever used.....and the cheapest too.

 

[BarryK]

I took them to my local hardware store and they shook them for me at no charge.

I've always believed in supporting my local small business and that is just the reason why. When you need something they remember you and help you out. Customer service still means something to most small businesses especially compared to the "big boys".

 

[JL66REDCPE]

Barry -- call County Corvette in west chester PA. Ask for Jim Stuempfle (pronounced stemflee) and ask them to sell you the paint. They have the mixing machine right there. These folks have done many many Top Flight cars. Their website is www.countycorvette.com.

 

[BarryK]

Barry -- call County Corvette in west chester PA. Ask for Jim Stuempfle (pronounced stemflee) and ask them to sell you the paint. They have the mixing machine right there. These folks have done many many Top Flight cars. Their website is www.countycorvette.com.

I know County Corvette and have spoken to Jim a few times. Last year when I was deciding where to take Baby for her paint work I considered using CC but when they quoted me $20,000 for a paintjob (not counting the bodywork repairs) I kept looking!

If we keep having problems getting the right paint color tint though maybe it will be worth it to see if CC can mix something up closer.
Thanks for the idea!

 

[paul67]

Thanks Barry. Makes me wonder what tone of Goodwood Green I am going to end up with?? I say that because I don't really know what it should look like. Being a bit colour-blind does not help.

 

[BarryK]

Paul

see if your shop has or can get an original color chip sample to work off of.
They can also try to match your existing paint from a small trim item off your car before it's stripped for repainting.
Either one of those should help get you in the ballpark anyway hopefully.

I don't think greens are as difficult to match up. I've been told by a few shops and the paint supplier that matching up the correct shades of color are most difficult in the red family. Typical luck for me.

Even if YOU are a bit color blind, make sure your painter isn't!!

 

[JL66REDCPE]

I know County Corvette and have spoken to Jim a few times. Last year when I was deciding where to take Baby for her paint work I considered using CC but when they quoted me $20,000 for a paintjob (not counting the bodywork repairs) I kept looking!

If we keep having problems getting the right paint color tint though maybe it will be worth it to see if CC can mix something up closer.
Thanks for the idea!

Barry -- County Corvette is always my second choice when someone asks me for a recommendation. I offered them as they are fairly close to where you live. If you dont feel comfortable with them, I offer my first choice which is Restoration Connection owned by Rob English. The shop is located in South Jersey outside of Mays Landing. Rob has also done many many Top Flight and show Corvettes. Rob's phone number is 609-965-7817. Please feel free to tell him that I sent you there.

 

[BarryK]

hmmmmmmm, i never heard of that place in May's Landing. That's good to know.

It could be worth a phone call to see if he has any recommendations regarding getting the paint mixed up properly.

i'm giving my shop and the paint supplier time this coming up week to see if they can get the paint color correct but if they still have problems I can give Rob a call.

thanks for the info!

I always know a few memebers here mentioned a palce on the internet in past threads called www.autocolorlibrary.com.
I wonder if they are any good. Supposebly they can match the original colors with the new modern paints.

 

[JL66REDCPE]

Rob English also has the paint mixing machine/computer.