Question of windshield molding clips

[67HEAVEN]

'67 coupe.

The AIM says 7 clips across the top of the windshield. OK

The AIM says 2 corner retainers. OK

The AIM says 16 clips down the sides and across the bottom. Not OK.

I screwed all 23 of the clips in and had two holes left over - bottom middle - like in the photo.

Should there be two this close together on both "sides"?

If not, I'll have two for the center-bottom. If I remove one, which one? And, why is the hole there if not for a clip? It's the same on both sides.

Thanks.

 

[Fuelie]

Bob,

Here is a pic of the windshield area of my Fuelie when I had it all apart. I see 18 clips in the sides and bottom

Let me know if you need any other info

Brian

 

[67HEAVEN]

Bob,

Here is a pic of the windshield area of my Fuelie when I had it all apart. I see 18 clips in the sides and bottom

Brian

Thanks Brian. Now I'm really confused. :confused

My '67 has 7 clips, plus the corner retainers, across the top, just as it says in the '67 AIM. Your '65 appears to have 10 plus the corner retainers. (DIFFERENCE #1)

My '67 has holes for 18 clips down the sides and across the bottom, but the '67 AIM says only 16 are required. (DIFFERENCE #2)

The molding clip set package from ZIP (which they got from Long Island) had only 16, plus the top 7 = 23 square clips + 2 corner retainers. This matches the description in the '67 AIM, BUT, the LICS label says for 64-67 coupes!!! That would include yours. In fact, the label says 23 SQUARE + 2 CORNER. (DIFFERENCE #3)

The end result is that I guess I am short two square clips and two screws. :confused

I guess I'll be sorting through plastic bags to find and count the old clips.

 

[Fuelie]

Bob,

This is one of those interesting items that John Z probably knows the answer to.....for all we know the line workers installed them as they saw fit

Brian

BTW here is a pic of the rear window clips just for future reference

 

[67HEAVEN]

Thanks again, Brian.

Ours appear to be different here as well.

My driver's rear corner has 4 clips (two sets of 2).........yours has 5 (two sets of 2 plus one in the actual corner).

:confused

 

[Fuelie]

Bob,

Out of curiousity, I will check the '65 AIM tomorrow and see what it says. I will let you know

Brian

 

[Gerry]

windshied retainer clips

Dear 67 Heaven,

I just looked this up in an original 67 service manual.

It says that there are 13 type B clips equally spaced on lower frame section and 11 type A clips equally spaced on the top frame section. It has pictures, let me know if I can be of any help.

Good luck.

Best regards,
Gerry

 

[67HEAVEN]

I wonder if the difference here is due to yours being a convertible?

And, I'm still curious about why they reduced the number from those used in the '65 coupes (front and rear). I wonder why they dropped that one in the very rear corner of the rear window (like in Fuelie's photo)?

 

[Dinger09]

Long Island shows 23 clips plus 2 corner clips....total 25. I've attached a page from their catalog. Look at parts 13A amd B.

http://www.licorvette.com/pdfcatalogfiles/cat22/57.pdf

 

[AUSSIEVETTEMAN]

Window clips

Just thought I would comment on your project. Very Nice!
You are doing a bloody good job.

Those window clips are the same on my 81 Coupe. I just took the window out as we had water leaking past the seal and down the pillar. When the window came out and the trims came off, I found a little flakey rust and a fair bit of surface rust. About an hour with the wire brush (powered by the drill) and it was gone. Two of those clips were cactus though as the rust had eaten them.
We will be getting a few from a Corvette guy here on the Gold Coast today.
Before the window goes back in, a nice coat of POR15 should go nice, hopefully that will be here mid week.

Cheers Guys

Tony

 

[Gerry]

windshield clips

67 Heaven,

There is no difference in the number of clips on the lower frame sections for convertible and coupe. The convertible does not show any clips for the upper portion (which makes sense ). The manual refers to both models ie. 37 (coupe) and 67 (vert). Interesting how the manual refers to the fourth number in the vin throughout when referring to each model. If you don't have this manual you might consider acquiring one as I have found it invaluable in working on this car. Take care and good luck with your great looking vette.

Best regards,
Gerry

 

[67HEAVEN]

Re: windshield clips

67 Heaven,

There is no difference in the number of clips on the lower frame sections for convertible and coupe. The convertible does not show any clips for the upper portion (which makes sense ). The manual refers to both models ie. 37 (coupe) and 67 (vert). Interesting how the manual refers to the fourth number in the vin throughout when referring to each model. If you don't have this manual you might consider acquiring one as I have found it invaluable in working on this car. Take care and good luck with your great looking vette.

Best regards,
Gerry

Gerry,

Yes I have the AIM. I was quoting from it in the first post in this thread.

My page UPC 1 (ASM) F23 (Ref F22) states:
#3904931 Retainer - 7 places on top; 16 places on sides & Bottom.

As you will all agree, that totals 23 and indeed 23 were in the package. So, I repeat, why does my car have holes for 25? And, why does Fuelie's '65 have even more clips front and rear?

 

[67HEAVEN]

Re: Window clips

Just thought I would comment on your project. Very Nice!
You are doing a bloody good job.

Tony

Thank you, mate!

 

[JohnZ]

My Tooling Group supplied formed aluminum drill fixtures with steel bushings for drilling those holes, but having been a production guy all my life, it wouldn't surprise me if the regular operator on that job quit using the large fixture after a while and made up a single-hole fixture that just spaced the hole the correct distance from the outer surface, and "eyeballed" the spacing. The supplied multiple-bushing fixture probably only got used when the regular operator was absent and someone not familiar with the job had to fill in for him.

 

[Fuelie]

My Tooling Group supplied formed aluminum drill fixtures with steel bushings for drilling those holes, but having been a production guy all my life, it wouldn't surprise me if the regular operator on that job quit using the large fixture after a while and made up a single-hole fixture that just spaced the hole the correct distance from the outer surface, and "eyeballed" the spacing. The supplied multiple-bushing fixture probably only got used when the regular operator was absent and someone not familiar with the job had to fill in for him.

That makes a lot of sense John. That would also explain some of the variable hole locations. Thanks again for your wealth of Corvette knowledge.:cool

My '65 AIM shows the same info as Bob's '67 as per the unit count of the clips.

Brian

 

[67HEAVEN]

Very interesting John, Fuelie and others.

Since the number of clips appears to be variable (according to the mood of the line-worker or whatever ) I will just move two.

Back to this photo from the first post in this thread.....

Why don't I just move the middle clip (of the three shown on the pillar here) to the bottom-center where I need them?

My only heistation stems from the belief that there must be a reason why two clips were placed so closely together on the pillars.

If no one offers a reason why not, I proceed (and I'll plug the holes)

Thanks all.

 

[67HEAVEN]

Re: windshield clips

67 Heaven,

There is no difference in the number of clips on the lower frame sections for convertible and coupe. The convertible does not show any clips for the upper portion (which makes sense ). The manual refers to both models ie. 37 (coupe) and 67 (vert). Interesting how the manual refers to the fourth number in the vin throughout when referring to each model. If you don't have this manual you might consider acquiring one as I have found it invaluable in working on this car. Take care and good luck with your great looking vette.

Best regards,
Gerry

Gerry,

I just realized that you were indeed referring to the Service Manual not the Assembly Instruction Manual. Sorry for the error.

I looked there too and the number of clips there is also shown as 23 (plus the two large ones at the top corners), just as in the AIM and the kit that I bought.

It does appear that the two extra holes that I have are the ones on the pillars I mentioned in the post above.

Thanks.

 

[Ron Miller]

I believe you'll find that at those locations where two clips are in close proximity, that that is also where one molding ends and another starts. In other words, the ends of each separate molding are held by a clip, even though one molding laps another and in theory could hold the end of its companion. And, it is possible that this may have changed from year to year based on experience by the plant. (I'm going from memory, been too long since I've done mine.)

Also, I see nothing wrong with putting clips at all of the locations where you have screw holes, even if the AIM or other doesn't show it. Nothing wrong in my opinion with getting an additional one in, but certainly can be a problem if a needed clip is omitted. John Z might be able to provide addition info on these.

Just my $0.02

rlm

 

[Gerry]

windshield clips

This is fascinating stuff. My chassis service manual actually shows 24 clips for the coupe, they are evenly spaced all around the windshield (picture on 1B-8). When I get in work tomorrow I will try and scan the picture and post it.

Best regards,
Gerry

 

[67HEAVEN]

Re: windshield clips

This is fascinating stuff. My chassis service manual actually shows 24 clips for the coupe, they are evenly spaced all around the windshield (picture on 1B-8). When I get in work tomorrow I will try and scan the picture and post it.

Best regards,
Gerry

Gerry, the 24th in that drawing (marked at #11) is actually one of the two top-corner (very wide) clips -- they are different from the others.