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Things I have learned during my first project

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well, having gone mostly thru my first real project on the car, here are some things I have leaned about working on Midyears. It's all true but also meant to be "somewhat" humorous:

1. The man that invented french locks should be shot

2. the man that designed up the SB ignition shielding system should be tortured for days, THAN shot.

3. The man that designed both the Corbin clamps and the tower clamps doesn't need to be shot, but at least a few hours of torture is called for.

4. The man that designed the distributor hold down clamp also deserves at least a good few hours of torture. I mean really - for such a simple clamp-down design could they make it anymore difficult to get your fingers in there to actually get it on the distributor and get that bolt in the hole after the distributor is finally in and with all the shielding brackets, vacunm can, etc in the way??!!

5. After seeing the engine bay before disassembly, seeing it with everything taken apart, and than seeing it reassembled again, I STILL haven't figured out how the engineers figured you are suppose to change the spark plugs on the passenger side without removing the heater hoses. I still can't see how you are going to remove the shielding pieces on that side to get to the plugs by leaving the heater hoses in place, not to mention the shielding brackets are DIRECTLY in front of the plugs making it that more difficult!

6. the IDIOTS that designed the fan shroud with the bolts coming thru the front that are d*mn near impossible to get to with the hood still on the car should not only be tortured and shot, but their family should be made to watch as it happens!. How much harder would production have been to tack-weld the nut on the front side so you can put the bolts thru from the engine side and have easier access? did they not ever consider the fan shroud may have to come out with the hood still on the car?

7. Pipe thread fittings.......... hate them!

8. NEVER, NEVER mention on the NCRS board that you have glass bead blasted an intake manifold or they may take your membership away from you. Good thing I didn't mention I also glass bead blasted the valve covers. ;LOL
Really now. I mean, I am trying to keep my car as stock and as correct as possible but I don't go thru judging so when choosing between "correct" or clean and neat I'll take clean and neat anytime.
I thought a few of those "NCRS nazi's" were going to sign a petition to have my membership revoked though.

Other than these things, it wasn't so bad. :D
 
Barry, I have a '66 small block and I know exactly what you mean. You will have more to add to the list after you try a shifter removal, or a guage cluster removal :)

Pat




BarryK said:
well, having gone mostly thru my first real project on the car, here are some things I have leaned about working on Midyears. It's all true but also meant to be "somewhat" humorous:

1. The man that invented french locks should be shot

2. the man that designed up the SB ignition shielding system should be tortured for days, THAN shot.

3. The man that designed both the Corbin clamps and the tower clamps doesn't need to be shot, but at least a few hours of torture is called for.

4. The man that designed the distributor hold down clamp also deserves at least a good few hours of torture. I mean really - for such a simple clamp-down design could they make it anymore difficult to get your fingers in there to actually get it on the distributor and get that bolt in the hole after the distributor is finally in and with all the shielding brackets, vacunm can, etc in the way??!!

5. After seeing the engine bay before disassembly, seeing it with everything taken apart, and than seeing it reassembled again, I STILL haven't figured out how the engineers figured you are suppose to change the spark plugs on the passenger side without removing the heater hoses. I still can't see how you are going to remove the shielding pieces on that side to get to the plugs by leaving the heater hoses in place, not to mention the shielding brackets are DIRECTLY in front of the plugs making it that more difficult!

6. the IDIOTS that designed the fan shroud with the bolts coming thru the front that are d*mn near impossible to get to with the hood still on the car should not only be tortured and shot, but their family should be made to watch as it happens!. How much harder would production have been to tack-weld the nut on the front side so you can put the bolts thru from the engine side and have easier access? did they not ever consider the fan shroud may have to come out with the hood still on the car?

7. Pipe thread fittings.......... hate them!

8. NEVER, NEVER mention on the NCRS board that you have glass bead blasted an intake manifold or they may take your membership away from you. Good thing I didn't mention I also glass bead blasted the valve covers. ;LOL
Really now. I mean, I am trying to keep my car as stock and as correct as possible but I don't go thru judging so when choosing between "correct" or clean and neat I'll take clean and neat anytime.
I thought a few of those "NCRS nazi's" were going to sign a petition to have my membership revoked though.

Other than these things, it wasn't so bad. :D
 
maxphunn said:
Barry, I have a '66 small block and I know exactly what you mean. You will have more to add to the list after you try a shifter removal, or a guage cluster removal :)

Pat

i can already imagine.......... :)
 
Barry,

I just wanted to say thanks for all your posts. Although I've got an 88 I truly enjoy reading about your adventures (or misadventures) with your car. You're gaining a wealth of knowledge from all the experts we have here at CAC. Reading about your latest project is one of the highlights of my day.

Ron
"Baldie88"
 
thanks Ron. glad my "misadventures" amuse you so much! ;LOL

yep, I AM learning a lot and it's vary satisfying to be able to do this stuff myself (sometimes). Could never do it without everyone help from here though.

:beer
 
Barry Nice thread er I mean Rant ;LOL

No I really enjoyed you post about your project……Nice job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Eh, I dunno.

I can understand the rant but I think you need perspective. I'd really like to hear from the guys who worked at GM during this time to hear their point of view. I can just imagine the meetings between Engineering and Manufacturing trying to negotiate what's the right thing to do during assembly versus the least costly methods to get the car out the door. Actually REPAIRING the car and considering that scenario my not have even been valued.

One story I'm reminded of (read this in Noland Adams' book) is the mistakes made in odering the molds for the coupe roofs (Notice my bias by not even implying that Engineering reversed the numbers) and the mismatch resulted in the doors being higher than the roof line. The Manufacturing people fixed that by getting the biggest guy on the line to bend the top of the doors to match the roof. Even if that isn't true, it speaks to your point of why.
 
Kid

yep, i know what you are saying.
for example, on the fan shroud bolts, when they installed the fan shroud at the factory I'm assuming the hood was not on the car yet. If that's the case they proably wouldn't have thought about the difficulty of doing the same job with the hood INSTALLED. I strongly considered removing the hood for the reinstall of those bolts after dealing with the hassle of initially removing them but than reconsidered only because I didn't want the added hassle of dealing with the hood alignment issues that would happen if I removed it even when you scribe the hinge locations.

after this experience, I doubt service and repair after production was FAR from their minds as they designed many items and locations of items on these cars and that really is my whole point.
 
How you like that Barry: Can't you just picture somebody the size of an Offensive Lineman jumping up and down on your door to get it aligned ?

The things that have happened to these cars over the years (and during assembly) would make most of us cringe today (or at least look at things a little differently).

Bernie O.
 
...and THAT's why my tool bill is higher than my bar bill....the discussion usually goes like this -> "Hey Hon, I need a long, double articulated pneumatic snub buffer because I'll be able to get those four bolts out without needing to take off the hood. Unfortunately, the Snap-On guy says I have to buy the whole set in order to get the one that I need. Don't worry, I'm sure VNV will also find these tools helpful. In fact, HE was the one who said I needed these Yes dear, maybe you're right. I should more carefully consider the crowd I hang out with. I'll do that right after I place my order."

:D
 
Kid_Again said:
...and THAT's why my tool bill is higher than my bar bill....
:LOL

I'm there with you...:)


long, double articulated pneumatic snub buffer :LOL

Hahaha! Too funny!

Seriously, I think we ALL have spent too much money on some obscure tool that we have used for ONE job...sigh :eyerole .

Way fun reading that-thanks for sharing.

Rick

:w
 
BarryK said:
Kid

yep, i know what you are saying.
for example, on the fan shroud bolts, when they installed the fan shroud at the factory I'm assuming the hood was not on the car yet. If that's the case they proably wouldn't have thought about the difficulty of doing the same job with the hood INSTALLED. I strongly considered removing the hood for the reinstall of those bolts after dealing with the hassle of initially removing them but than reconsidered only because I didn't want the added hassle of dealing with the hood alignment issues that would happen if I removed it even when you scribe the hinge locations.

after this experience, I doubt service and repair after production was FAR from their minds as they designed many items and locations of items on these cars and that really is my whole point.

Barry, the hood WAS on the car when the fan shroud and horns were installed (the hood was installed in the Body Shop, before the car was painted), but the grille and bumpers weren't installed until after the horns and fan shroud, so there was a nice big hole to work through. :)
 
Kid_Again said:
One story I'm reminded of (read this in Noland Adams' book) is the mistakes made in odering the molds for the coupe roofs (Notice my bias by not even implying that Engineering reversed the numbers) and the mismatch resulted in the doors being higher than the roof line. The Manufacturing people fixed that by getting the biggest guy on the line to bend the top of the doors to match the roof. Even if that isn't true, it speaks to your point of why.

Yup, that's absolutely true, and was a result of mis-communication between Engineering and the die outfit that made the roof mold. Steel body panels are designed/dimensioned to the "inside of metal" because the male draw die punch is the part of the die that determines the panel shape, but fiberglass molds are made to the "outside of metal" surface. The surface drafts that were given to the mold-maker were the traditional "inside of metal" and the mold-maker assumed they were "outside of metal", so the (female half) of the roof panel mold made the roof panel 0.1" (fiberglass panel thickness) lower than actual design. Took about a year to figure it out, and it was easier to "reef" the upper half of the coupe doors than it was to make all new steel molds for the roof panel (which extended all the way to the rear of the body). :eyerole
 
JohnZ said:
Barry, the hood WAS on the car when the fan shroud and horns were installed (the hood was installed in the Body Shop, before the car was painted), but the grille and bumpers weren't installed until after the horns and fan shroud, so there was a nice big hole to work through. :)

well, at least that big hole thru the grill area made things a little easier but I still can't figure why they didn't put the bolts thru from the engine side - it would have been much easier!
 
Kid_Again said:
Don't worry, I'm sure VNV will also find these tools helpful. In fact, HE was the one who said I needed these Yes dear, maybe you're right. I should more carefully consider the crowd I hang out with. I'll do that right after I place my order."

:D

Yep -- that is exactly what I say too -- Mark made me do it :D
 
I'm sure VNV will also find these tools helpful. In fact, HE was the one who said I needed these Yes dear, maybe you're right. I should more carefully consider the crowd I hang out with. I'll do that right after I place my order."


Yeah..That's the ticket... You need them...;)
 

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