WOW - What a bunch of boring turn left races, ...

[6 Shooter]

...racing @ FONTANA has to be one of the worst weekends on NASCAR's schedule. ;squint:​

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6 Shooter​

They were so boring I was hoping Rowdy could win yesterday for a weekend sweep!

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[rascal_rascal_99]

Well it hasn't been ALL left turns, Harvick made a right turn...until the wall stopped him that is. A week ago Jr made a right turn, and thats led to plenty of excitement.





Fontana was pretty boring though, shrub dominated the truck and nationwide races into boredom and the cup race had very little passing going on with only a few cars leading, seemed like the top 5 cars were pretty much the same 5 all day long.

We need to hurry up and get to some of the good tracks like bristol or darlington or bristol or martinsville...or maybe bristol.

 

[jrose7004]

I enjoyed watching Jeff try and chase down Matt at the end.

 

[Hib Halverson]

I think the 24 went the wrong way on a chassis adj. during the last stop. While trying to run down Kenseth, he looked tight.

 

[spikebot 81]

The weekend races where pretty boring but by golly I still watched every darn lap

 

[G Winter]

FONTANA, 90 % boring ! The next race should be better.

Glenn

 

[Dad2BJO]

FONTANA, 90 % boring ! The next race should be better.

Glenn

The next Fontana race or the Next race of the season in Vegas????? With the COT all of the races are 90% boring. Can anyone explain why GM/Ford/Toyota and Dodge want to be involved in Nascar anymore?????

Fontana is a Joke. and to think they took away a race in Darlington and sent it out there. This year it is even better since they have one of the Chase races at Fontana.

 

[jrose7004]

The next Fontana race or the Next race of the season in Vegas????? With the COT all of the races are 90% boring. Can anyone explain why GM/Ford/Toyota and Dodge want to be involved in Nascar anymore?????

Fontana is a Joke. and to think they took away a race in Darlington and sent it out there. This year it is even better since they have one of the Chase races at Fontana.

You really shouldn't hold back! I mean tell us how you really feel!

 

[rascal_rascal_99]

I enjoyed watching Jeff try and chase down Matt at the end.

That part was decent, but other than the first 5 laps at the start, and the final 5 or so at the end, everything between there could have put a rock to sleep.

 

[Dad2BJO]

You really shouldn't hold back! I mean tell us how you really feel!

Ok, since you asked:

Nascar started going downhil about the time the RWD G bodies were phased out. The consumer wanted FWD (I guess) and they started taking FWD car bodies and sticking them onto the old RWD platforms for nascar. Nascar has never changed or kept up with the times. Yes I like watching RWD cars perform but good grief please put a product out there that is even close to what I can go buy at a dealer. Heck they can run this silly COT if they want but put an engine and drivetrain in the thing that I can buy local (Think supercharged ZR-1 engine vs V-10 Viper engine or 5.4 supercharged Ford engine), then make each team finish a race on a certain amount of fuel and tires, think of how this will create a benefit for the consumer. Instead of Millions of $$ wasted on figuring out how a taxi cab shaped car can go 1/10th faster at a 2 mile track, how about spending those millions on figuring out how that same car can go further on a gallon of fuel while going faster. It is a win/win/win, however NASCAR is run by a bunch of fools that still think a pushrod carbed V8 engine is what people care about.

Sure, not everyone will run out and buy a ZR-1 if that same engine package wins on Sunday, BUT if that technology and knowledge gained is passed down the rest of the fleet than I see a benefit.

As far as the engines actually being different how so? 358 Cu In push rod carbed V-8. You cant tell me that Toyota's success last year came from somthing Toyota did. JGR has always had a strong engine program and it had more to do with the guys building the actual engines than Toyotas influence. (MWR/redbull/BDR all still sucked).

Jeff G. (24) actually proved my point this winter when he said NASCAR made a smart move going to the COT, since this way there is very little tied to the each car company (meaning they are all the same damn thing, car,engine, tranny and rear end). He may be right, that it was a good thing, but cheering for an Impalla SS because it has a Chevy sticker is just plain stupid.

 

[jrose7004]

Do you enjoy IndyCar or Daytona Prototypes?

 

[6 Shooter]

WOW - It looks like the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series is evolving into IROC.

L8TR - D

 

[rascal_rascal_99]

Nascar is definitely headed downhill as far as entertainment and good racing goes, I don't think very many people at all feel otherwise. Personally I don't blame the COT and don't mind it, then again I was sick of hearing all the crying from one team about another that someones body was an unfair advantage. To me it's got more to do with the nascar politics getting in the way of racing.

As for the other types of racing mentioned, I'll watch damn near any kind of racing if it's competitive (dirt short tracks are my first passion), the 24hrs of daytona this year was probably one of the best in a long long time.

 

[Dad2BJO]

Do you enjoy IndyCar or Daytona Prototypes?

I enjoy just about all forms of racing. And yes, Nascar is pretty much the IROC and we all know what happend to that series.....

I was a real big indy fan back in the 80's and 90's before they split. I remember going to Indy or the Milwaukee Mile and able to see a V6 Turbo Buick perform (or not perform) in a race car. One of my first cars was an 85 Regal T-Type. (Ironic that the "Grand National", wich sported the same 3.8 turbo, was named to honor Buicks success in Stock Car racing, but Buick Motorsports grew with Indy Car racing) Later I became a big fan of the C-4 partly due to the fact that just about every pace car at Indy was a Vette it seemed like, (although an 89 TTA is still my favorite) plus Chevy V-8's ran at Indy. How could you NOT be a fan. Back then you could also tell a Nascar Ford from a chevy from an Olds and a buick I started following them as well and continued even up to now.

It blows me away when I am at a car show and there may be a Monte SS Aero-coupe there and people are so ignorant as to why Chevy built them in the first place. Same goes for the Pont. 2+2 if you can find one. (that would have been a sweet car with the Buick turbo 6!!!!!) Anyways at least then they put some of the pressure on the manufacturer not just the team owner. Sure the Aero-Coupe was ugly BUT they did learn a little about downforce and aerodynamics which transfered to the next generation of cars. Buick even made a few LeSabre Grand Nationals just to meet the minimum produced so they could run the new body at the time in cup.

All of that is gone now. All we have now are headlight stickers. ad

Indy? I feel almost the same way. Things were good up until the split. Just think of what they would have if they opend thier eyes and actually encouraged guys like Jeff Gordon to stay in open wheel.

 

[rascal_rascal_99]

Well this is definitely going to go way out on the "what if" branch, but had Jeff Gordon stayed with open wheel stuff and Tony Stewart had too, think about how big that would have been for open wheel racing. I'm going even farther out on that limb, but I believe that if either of them had close to the success there they've had in nascar that they'd have ended up making the jump to F1.

 

[G Winter]

The next Fontana race or the Next race of the season in Vegas????? With the COT all of the races are 90% boring. Can anyone explain why GM/Ford/Toyota and Dodge want to be involved in Nascar anymore?????

Fontana is a Joke. and to think they took away a race in Darlington and sent it out there. This year it is even better since they have one of the Chase races at Fontana.

No race at Fontana has been good. I was referring to the next race on the schedule. And I didn't say it would be great. I agree the COT sucks big time . I am starting to lose interest In NASCAR very quickly. No real brand identification anymore.When did NASCAR decide they were car designers? Not only have they taken front wheel drive bodies for rear wheel drive racing they even took 4 doors and tried to make two door out of them. :ugh:crazy

Glenn

 

[Dad2BJO]

No race at Fontana has been good. I was referring to the next race on the schedule. And I didn't say it would be great. I agree the COT sucks big time . I am starting to lose interest In NASCAR very quickly. No real brand identification anymore.When did NASCAR decide they were car designers? Not only have they taken front wheel drive bodies for rear wheel drive racing they even took 4 doors and tried to make two door out of them. :ugh:crazy

Glenn

We are on the same page.

About the only good thing I did see at Fontana was that for Driver intros, they had them go around the track in Corvette Vert's

Of course Fox's awesome coverage did not show much of the cars but I did make out a Red C-2 that Kahne was in and I say a glimps of tail lights on a C-4. Anyone have any pictures or did anyone participate in this??????

 

[Dad2BJO]

Well this is definitely going to go way out on the "what if" branch, but had Jeff Gordon stayed with open wheel stuff and Tony Stewart had too, think about how big that would have been for open wheel racing. I'm going even farther out on that limb, but I believe that if either of them had close to the success there they've had in nascar that they'd have ended up making the jump to F1.

That is not "way out there" thinking at all. Gordon always wanted to run open wheel at indy and that was his dream. Tony did win the IRL championship but at that time no one cared since it was a second tier series to NASCAR. Newman and Kahne where open wheel guys just off the top of my head. And yes, it could have eventually sent one to F-1 and actually have a competitive US driver/team.

 

[rascal_rascal_99]

I don't know if it's ever been tried by a car owner, but even just from the publicity side of it, I'm surprised there hasn't been someone to try to get Jeff Gordon to run the indy500. I don't think it has or it would have blown up in the racing news before it had a chance to even get started. Only thing I can remember about him ever being back in an open wheel of any kind was when him and JPM swapped cars for fun and Jeff got to play in that F1 car. I also think the split in CART is still having a left over damaging effect and still doesn't get the respect it did at one time both in bringing in money and drivers. Had it stayed one series and worked things out I feel like it would have a lot more stability to it and we wouldn't have seen some of the recent bigger names jumping to stock car racing like we've seen in the last few years or so.

 

[G Winter]

I don't know if it's ever been tried by a car owner, but even just from the publicity side of it, I'm surprised there hasn't been someone to try to get Jeff Gordon to run the indy500. I don't think it has or it would have blown up in the racing news before it had a chance to even get started. Only thing I can remember about him ever being back in an open wheel of any kind was when him and JPM swapped cars for fun and Jeff got to play in that F1 car. I also think the split in CART is still having a left over damaging effect and still doesn't get the respect it did at one time both in bringing in money and drivers. Had it stayed one series and worked things out I feel like it would have a lot more stability to it and we wouldn't have seen some of the recent bigger names jumping to stock car racing like we've seen in the last few years or so.

Didn't Jeff run laps at or close to qualifying times ?

Glenn