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1978 Anniversary Edition. Was working fine and all of a sudden will not start. Turn ignition amps go down, but starter will not carnk

Checked out battery - ok
Starter - ok
Checked power to starter - ok
Checked power to silinoid - ok

read post to look at 6 prong wires attahced to firewall, none of the wires are burnt.

All interior lights, headlights, radio all work.


Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Have someone hold the key in "start" position while you tap (hit) starter with a hammer. If it spins.......bad starter.

Mike
 
I will try it, but I took the starter off and hooked it directly to a battery and it started. I also tested the silinoid and it also engaged.
 
Safety / Neutral Switch?
 
Did the amps go down when you turned the key to start?
 
The amps dropping shows you have a complete circuit. Power was applied to the solenoid but it did not respond. Time for a new starter. Try to find an AC Delco rebuilt starter.

Mike
 
Mike, what exaclty is this "solenoid"? Is it part of the starter that reacts to power, but in his case, didn't? Could you explain this part? Thanks! :D

TR
 
TR,
The solenoid has two functions. When power is applied to it it becomes an electrical magnet pulling a plunger into its own cylinder. When this happens the starter drive is pulled into the flywheel to engage the teeth.
It is also a relay. Since average starter draw is 175 - 250 amps when spinning an engine the wiring from the ignition switch cannot handle the load. When the plunger bottoms in the solenoid it depresses a contact to complete the circuit from the battery cable to the starter motor.

Mike
 
I took the starter out and placed it on a vice and hooked it up to a battery thru the connecting points and the selenoid and the starter both worked.
 
Stingray6974 said:
TR,
The solenoid has two functions. When power is applied to it it becomes an electrical magnet pulling a plunger into its own cylinder. When this happens the starter drive is pulled into the flywheel to engage the teeth.
It is also a relay. Since average starter draw is 175 - 250 amps when spinning an engine the wiring from the ignition switch cannot handle the load. When the plunger bottoms in the solenoid it depresses a contact to complete the circuit from the battery cable to the starter motor.

Mike

Okay, so that setup is pretty much just a way to put through power to start up the car from the battery. And then when the car is started, the pulley system makes the power so the battery is only necessary to start the car? I heard this a ilttle big ago, and I just wanted to clarify. Thanks! :D

TR
 
Safety / Neutral Switch?

if the starter is turning when hooked directly up would it not be ignition or Safety / Neutral Switch?

Friend had automatic transmission vette with same problem and all it took was slamming the thing into park a few times. is there not a switch on automatics that needs depressed to complete circuit to starer.

been awhile since i have had starter problems (knock on wood)....

wamp
74 Stingray
 
In the first post it was stated that there was power to the starter and to the solenoid. Also when the key was turned to start the amp gauge showed a drop. This would eliminate the neutral switch and confirm a complete circuit. It would also eliminate a bad ground. This is a common problem on cars with headers, exhaust running close to the starter, or weak solenoids. Also known as "hot soak" condition. The starter just won't work until it cools off. A weak solenoid has the same symptons. Other causes can be the plunger binding or dragging inside the solenoid, too stiff spring on the plunger, worn out pivot pin or linkage, starter drive sticking on armature, or an overheated winding. In most cases tapping on the starter while holding the key in start position will get it to work. I go thru this scenario at least once a week at work.
Testing a starter on a bench is very inaccurate because it does not duplicate the same conditions. Jumping the solenoid with jumper cables or a screwdriver has much less resistance than a 12 ga wire, 10 feet long running thru 2 switches, one bulkhead connector, and a fusible link. You cannot put a load on the starter as spinning an engine does.
I am assuming that Ed's original testing was accurate and that his wiring is in good shape. I don't know if he was reading actual voltage or ghost voltage. Without knowing what the amp draw readings were on the wires I cannot be 100% positive. I am going by 28 years of experience and the most common causes.

Mike
 
I appreciate all the info and will try what you suggested tonight.

thanks
 
About the same thing was happens to me once in awhile!I have a 4spd and you have to have clutched depressed to start it.I checked everything like you did and ended up turning the keys on and off several times very fast and it always seems to work.Don't ask me why but it does!The cussing didn't by the way!
 
well Stingray6974 was correct I tried a new starter and it started. Thanks for all the advice
 

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