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Being an oldgoat has its advantageous. I recall the late 60's to the mid 70's and how oil price increases and shortages, along with pollution controls, killed performance automobiles. It's deja vu time now.

Oil prices are predicted to go up enormously-and stay there. What does this have to do with the new C6 and the Z06? It's so ironic.

Finally after all this time the auto makers learn how to build a fast car that gets what has been considered decent mileage and meets pollution controls. However, with $3.50 to $4.50 a gallon regular gas perhaps by this summer all bets will be off.

We are all speculating about how many tens of thousands of dollars the dealers will add to the Z06 MSRP. Consider that we might eventually see them sitting unsold at MSRP or below. Even now, in my local area dealers have C6's in stock and some are offering $3,000 or more off MSRP and still the cars remain unsold. Prices for big block late 60's vettes dropped to almost nothing during the gas shortage years of the 70's. Now people pay in excess of $100 grand for many of them as collectors/status cars.

The point I am leading up to , from the perspective of experience, is that RIGHT NOW is 1965-1971 in terms of GM performance cars. It took this long to get back to that level ( and even beyond ). If gas prices rise as is now predicted the result will be a repeat of what happened in the past. Bye bye to performance cars again due to even more stringent mileage requirements and fuel cost-not to mention possible shortages.

Think it's been nice getting all the inexpensive consumer goods from Red China? Well, from now on they will be sucking up ever more massive amounts of the global oil supply.

So am I being pessimistic? You may think so but I call it realism based upon experience. As the intro to one of my favorite TV shows used to say " The time is now"....I agree. The time is now to buy a vette is now-or in the next few years.

I wonder what forecast revisions GM will be making for the C6 in light of oil price forecasts. I think the bubble is about to burst. Yah, many who can afford vettes don't even consider gas prices. Yah, even $10 a gallon and many would still drive their vettes with little change.

However, not all the buyers of the 35,000 or so vettes sold every year are so immune to gas prices. Demand for the vette will certainly drop and we will probably , once again, see reductions in power as demand for gas mileage increases.

And the forecast for the Z06 in the face of huge and permanent gasoline price increases? It's gotta be down and not up. Yah, yah, I know many will be able to afford it. But how about affording it when home heating prices have tripled in a few years and a oil price induced recession is raging?

So...for all of us who wish we could have bought a new 1967 427....because it was an end of an era.....my advice is to buy a C6 or Z06 this year or next because I doubt the cars in their present forms will be around much longer.

It's the good old days right now in performance cars. You can walk right in and buy a 400hp C6.
 
OLDGOAT, that is what's been on my mind lately. I rember what my dad said a few years ago, during the Oil embargo you could pick up a “classic” muscle car dirt cheep. Since no body wanted them.

But I still think Gm will still produce a 400hp vette just not as many as them.
since most people use them as a toy and drive them once and while.
 
One of the reasons I bought my 97 was the gas milage I get 22-23 around town and I don't drive like an old lady. My 76 was lucky to see 9 or 10 on a good day. Of the 5 cars in my household only my sons 4cyl escort gets slightly better gas milage.
The C5 gets great gas milage for the performance it gives; the C6 is not that far behind it.
 
I dont think that we have to worry. The General has been able to get MORE than decent gas mileage out of these cars while other manufacturers of less HP cars are below 20 MPG!!
 
coolhandluke said:
OLDGOAT, that is what's been on my mind lately. I rember what my dad said a few years ago, during the Oil embargo you could pick up a “classic” muscle car dirt cheep. Since no body wanted them.

Very true! And no one ever thought that they would be in demand so many years later. It's just like old baseball cards, guitars or anything that brings happiness to people.:L

OLDGOAT,

I'm thinking that for the C6 Z06 owners, they will be in a higher income bracket and if they could afford the car, they won't have a problem with paying for the gas.

However, I'm not in that income bracket and I will not be driving my 'Vette if gas is $3.50 a gallon. I have a Camry that gets very good mileage and I drove that when gas prices were ridiculous last summer. Gas prices just went up by $.15 to $2.15 here in the Chicagoland area a few days ago.

What they're really doing is killing the stations on the IL/IN border because I'm only a few miles away and could go there to fill up for $.20 a gallon. And in the mean time, I would also buy other things in the area like cigarettes (if I smoke, which I don't) and maybe even groceries since I'm out there.
 
It might have a limited effect but there will still be buyers for these high performance cars, be they ZO6's or whatever. Petrol prices in the UK are way higher and you still see plenty of big cars and SUV's driving around although the trend is to much smaller cars and in paticular diesel engined.


J.
 
I have a ~500HP LPE that gets 30+ on the road. I don't drive it all that often so the price of gas will not have an effect on the Vette. High fuel cost will also cause me to fly my airplane less than before, but not to stop all together. I am more worried about the effect of energy cost on the overall economy. If the worse comes, our economy will suffer incalculably.
 
Dear Oldgoat:

I agree. If energy and emissions considerations have anything to do with future designs, we may very well be living in a period of time that some of the car mags are calling "the golden age of horsepower".

What I would like to know is how long can I keep my 'vette? (It's still on order). I'll probably put all of about 2000 miles on it per year and I'd like to keep it till I'm too old to drive ( 30 years?). Will gasoline be available then or will all fuel stations be selling only natural gas and hydrogen? ;shrug

My general feeling is, if I don't get to enjoy a high performance sports car now, maybe I won't be able to later.

Carol :)
 
Old Goat,
I am concerned about the same thing. It appears that most who have looked into the oil thing pretty much agree that the days of plentiful and cheap oil are over. Some say that with everything we know about the current amount now in the ground, demand will reach supply in 15 years or so at the current rate of usage. As to what that will mean on prices, no ideal exactly, except they will be higher. I expect the higher prices will cause a lot of pressure to go to other forms of energy. How this plays out will depend on the cost of the alternate forms of fuel. Probably be a lot of changes guick if the prices reach what you have described. The biggest problem I have is that the only thing i know about all this is what I hear, no hard facts to form solid opinions. I made the same choice many on here have made, get a C6 now as the option may not be available down the road. Besides, it gets a very economical 28 MPG.
 
gkvetteuno said:
Old Goat,
gkvetteuno said:
I made the same choice many on here have made, get a C6 now as the option may not be available down the road. Besides, it gets a very economical 28 MPG.


Yes, the 28 mpg is so tremendous considering the 400hp. Who would have believed in 1971 that a vette as fast and powerful as the C6 could achieve this level of mileage? It was literally a fantasy.

So my wife drives an SUV that gets 12 mpg around town....same as my 1968 396 Camaro used to get ( unless I drove it hard in which case it could be MUCH worse ). Our little Subaru Forester gets about 22 around town. I have been pointing out to her the TREMENDOUS economy and environmental good sense of a new C6!

She has a point though that cargo capacity is a bit less. I tell her that is offset by greater rollover safety of the vette vs the explorer ( lol ).

Seriously the mileage of the C6 is a MAJOR achievement.

Note to Attmmac: I agree with you. I wish I was wrong too. I wish that it had been possible politically to increase gas prices GRADUALLY over the past 30 years rather than in big steps. Technological innovation would have come sooner. Who knows perhaps in ten years we'll have a hybrid vette with 450 hp and 50 mpg or more? With advances in battery, electric motor, and control technology it just might happen. It's an optimistic way to think about it and I like that.

In the meantime I LOVE the smell of gasoline in the morning or any other time.
 
OLDGOAT said:
With advances in battery, electric motor, and control technology it just might happen.

I don't think that will happen soon. If that happens, the demand for oil will go drastically down. Take solar power, it's free so the big oil companies won't be making astronomical amounts of money like they do now.
 

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