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Basicly about 6 months back I had a shop do repairs to my car. They said for like I forget how much, a lot of money that they could get everything 100%. They did not, but not only that they OVERCHARGED for parts. By a lot I was looking up all the parts and they charged me 160.00 a piece!!! for headlight aculartors when they are 148.00 for a set in ecklers and ecklers is usually higher then most places. They they charged like 800.00 to do the damn weather striping. 120 in labor to replace a seal that takes like 10 mins to replace. If I cant sue them can I at least report them? I mean WTF I would not be so ****ed if they did fix my car 100% but they did not. O and they took a little over a month when they said it would take like 1 week because they could not locate a motor for the seat that cost me $238.00!!! And when I was like I want my car back they were like The seats are out and I would have to have it towed. I know that is shady bussines pratice to remove a part to make it where you cant get the car back.
 
This is the United States of America. You can sue anyone you want for any reason! :D

Winning, on the other hand, is sometimes difficult.

If these guys provided you with estimates ahead of time and had you sign an agreement to perform the work then you probably don't have a leg to stand on. But don't trust me. If you're serious, consult a lawyer. They'll usually hear you out and give you an opinion for free.

Most shops can't go too far over an estimate without notification and authorization.

It sounds like they might be a less then ideal choice for a repair shop for you, but they don't seem to have a rediculous mark-up from what I'm used to.

I had to replace my gas tank a year or so ago, for instance. The catalogs had it for one price, my shop was asking for about 5-10% over that price. They could get the part the next day and have it installed in another day. I could have ordered the part from Ecklers or someone, but I'd have to then pay shipping and wait a week, then drive it over to the shop and then wait a day for install.

For me, the extra $40 or so was worth the quicker job.

If you've ever done the weather stripping on a car you'd be thrilled to pay someone else $800 to do it (assuming they did it right.) It is a mind-numbingly tedious job to just get the old rubber and glue out and then nothing ever seems to fit when you put it back in right. Then you have to adjust the windows, tops, hood and doors because the new stuff is twice as thick as the raggedy crap you pulled out. . .

I'm not doing mine! :P

Keep in mind, nothing short of a frame-off will ever make a 1981 100%. . .

Best of luck!
 
Erik covered it well ... including frame-off only path to 100%. If you signed a carte blanche release or if shop did not grossly exceed any estimate ... then you have a snowball's chance. Most attorneys offer free initial consultation and assessment. Given same info and especially "They said for like I forget how much ......." I doubt if any worthy attorney would take the case. Where costs do matter, best to comparison-price parts etc before any work is done.
JACK:gap
 
They didn't tell me how much they were getting the parts for.. I mean WTF 160 for each accutlator when a set is 140.00!!! WTF I know they are buying the parts then tacking on a "Part finder" fee when there should be none because they are proably just ordering them from a major corvette place. Any way I cant find the recipt right now but I think it was like $2700 for Idler Arm, 2 U-Joints, Value cover seals, fixed power locks and New motor for the seat. One of my friends who is a mechanic looked at it and it said 2 hours of labor to replace a seal and he said that only takes 20 min so WTF. They are putting down longer then it takes and chargeing me for it or they are really stupid. If I cant sue I am at least going to report them to the BBB. By the way the Weather striping was done poorly. Once I find the recipt I will list all the work. Another thing they replace an Idle arm that was good, for like no reason. You cant tell me thats legal and after all of this the car still did not run right.
 
I have a guy near me that I just bring him the parts, he changes them... or in some cases (like when cores are necessary) I usually let him get it locally. Saves me the trouble of waiting a week for the part, then having the ship out a greasy oily part at my own cost, it's not only a PITA, but I find my mechanic always seems to be very close to whatever I can get from any of the major vendors. He usually calls me up and tells me what I need as a part if it's unexpected, and I get it from the vendor and get to him.

To sum up, find a place that allows you to buy the parts first. This allows you to have control over the cost. Anything else, they should call you FIRST to confirm. Don't hand them the car and tell them to fix the headlights... get them to diagnose the problem, prepare a complete list of parts you'll need, and a labor cost. This way you can have them replace the actuators, seals, 2 hoses, 1 bracket, etc. and know they'll charge you 3 hours labor. Whatever.

In your case, you have little recourse. Speak to the manager, speak to the owner. If that doesn't work, you can always sue them... as Erik said... you live the great US of A. Taking them to court would definitely get their attention.

Sly
 
I guess since I cant really do anything about it, I can at least File a complaint with the Better Bussines Burea, which really hurts any bussines a lot.
 
The last time I bought headlight acuators they were 95 each and that was a good deal.Most places mark up parts because its like giving a small loan to the customer while waiting on the part.I personally dont mark up parts currently but Ive been thinking about it .Mainly because when you have 3-4k in parts on order I am losing interest ,not much but some,on that money.Labor is the biggest part but it does sound like they were too high.Its best to find some one that will do it for "actual time".Trying to estimate repairs on an older car can be difficult so the shop usually estimates wellover what they think it will be so they dont get burned.Thats how the customer gets screwed.
 
It's very common and leagal for shops to charge more than what they paid for parts. On average, in the shops that i've worked in, they get about 150% of what they paid for them. $100.00 to shop $150.00 to customer. Those prices charged to the customer are called the list price. As a teenager I worked at a Parts Plus. We had three different prices for every part. Price for a shop, price for over the counter, and list price. The shops would call us for price and availability for a part and we would give them the list price because that is what they were writing down on the repair order. They didn't have to do the math to up the prices to make more money. Their proffit would show up when they paid their monthly bill to us.
 
If the total bill was in the $2700 range then you can probably take them to small claims court, should you decide that you really want to sue.

Best of luck with everything!

E
 
We repair all makes and models of cars and are one of a few places that will accept Vettes. A estimate is given and the customer agrees by signing the repair order. If they do not like the parts estimate, I tell them to get the parts and then bring the car in. Here are some of the problems, warrantees and correct parts. I accept the labor on any of our supplied parts. You supply and they fail or don`t fit, pay me again. Discount parts suppliers normally will sell a product with a so called lifetime warrantee at a cheaper price but also at a sacrifice for quality and are also nortious for "wrong parts" costing us time that no one wants to pay for. Some of the items repaired for you may have seen outragious, but 12 bucks over what you may have paid for the same parts also gave them the responsibility to be correct in the application. Also each supplier does not sell the same quality. They may look alike, but many replacement parts are of a cheaper off shore quality passed off as top of the line. I have a sign posted as follows "Only Junk is cheap, Quality never is". Next time, check out the facilitys reputation and the quality of his parts. I dont think you will have much of a recourse under the facts of your case.
 
First tell them how much you feel they owe you or what they still need to fix. If they refuse, tell them you are going to stand out front of the business with a sign that says "ask me before you do business here". Let them know you have a lot of time on your hands and that you can legally make sure they lose more business than what they ripped you off for. Make sure you do not slander the business, only share the facts with people. After being jerked around by a local repair facility for over a month, I did the above and was handed a cash refund within 1 hour of telling them of my plan to do the above.
 
I would give them the opportunity to make it right. I would not waste my time & $$ trying to sue them. Even if you won, it would be in small claims court which is pratically worthless when it comes to collecting the money. Not being a smart arse, but you might consider sueing whatever school system taught you, or more accurately, did not teach you to spell, punctuate, or write. Sorry for that, but this is one of my pet peeves.
 
My state has one of the worse school systems in the US and I am still in school.
 
gary79 said:
I would give them the opportunity to make it right. I would not waste my time & $$ trying to sue them. Even if you won, it would be in small claims court which is pratically worthless when it comes to collecting the money. Not being a smart arse, but you might consider sueing whatever school system taught you, or more accurately, did not teach you to spell, punctuate, or write. Sorry for that, but this is one of my pet peeves.
Gary79, I understand that you are new to this forum, but you'll find out that your type of insulting remarks are not appreciated here. The poster has some greif and you only want to make it worse. How old are you? Do you also go by the name Rolm?
 
gary79 said:
I would give them the opportunity to make it right. I would not waste my time & $$ trying to sue them. Even if you won, it would be in small claims court which is pratically worthless when it comes to collecting the money. Not being a smart arse, but you might consider sueing whatever school system taught you, or more accurately, did not teach you to spell, punctuate, or write. Sorry for that, but this is one of my pet peeves.
Hi Gary

By the way, it's "Suing" not Sueing. Your reply infers doing something with Sue which probably wasn't your intent. Sorry to be so petty, but these little things really burn me up!
 
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TWINRAY said:
Hi Gary

By the way, it's "Suing" not Sueing. Your reply infers doing something with Sue which probably wasn't your intent. Sorry to be so petty, but these little things really burn me up!
 
LITEVETTE said:
Gary79, I understand that you are new to this forum, but you'll find out that your type of insulting remarks are not appreciated here. The poster has some greif and you only want to make it worse. How old are you? Do you also go by the name Rolm?
I'm 52 years old, my name is Gary Buch, not Rolm,( whoever the #$%^ that is), seems if i say any more than that i'll offend someone.
 
Bender:
Here's the info from the Florida Office of Consumer Protection regarding auto repairs - -there's a point of contact at the end - -Hillsborough County also has their own agency. Good luck
CQRT in AZ



The Florida Motor Vehicle Repair Act requires anyone who, for compensation, engages in the repair of motor vehicles owned by other persons, to register biennially with the Department.


Florida Laws
Chapter 559, Florida Statutes (F.S.)
Chapter 5J-12, Florida Administrative Code



Frequently Asked Questions

1. How is repair work authorized?

By the customer's signature. However, the customer may be advised of the estimate by other means: telephone, fax, mail, etc., but you should note on the work order all specifics of the notification and authorization to protect yourself in the event of a claim. (F.S. 559.901(1))
2. What should I do with the signed paper?

Always give the customer a copy of any document requiring their signature. Keep a copy for your records. (F.S. 559.905(1), 559.911, 559.920(12))
3. How long do I have to keep records of my business?

One year. (F.S. 559.915)
4. Can work be done in excess of the work listed on the written estimate/work order?

You may not exceed the amount of the written estimate by more than $10 or 10 percent, whichever is greater, but not to exceed $50 without the written or oral consent of the customer. It is suggested that specific notes of the additional authorization be added to the written estimate/work order. (F.S. 559.909(1)(b))
5. When does the customer get the invoice?

When the work is finished or when the customer cancels any work order or declines to have the work done and you have charged diagnostic fees. (F.S. 559.911)
6. What must be on the invoice?

The invoice may be provided on the same form as the written repair estimate.
The current date and odometer reading of the motor vehicle.
A statement indicating what was done to correct the problem or a description of the service provided.
An itemized description of all labor, parts, and merchandise supplied and the costs of the merchandise. Any items or merchandise provided with the repair at no cost, or reduced cost, to the customer must also be listed.
A statement identifying any replacement parts as being used, rebuilt, or reconditioned as the case may be.
A statement indicating what, if anything, is guaranteed with the repair and the time and/or mileage period for which the guarantee is good.
The registration number from the certificate issued by the Department identifying your shop. (F.S. 559.911)
7. What if I have torn down the vehicle and discover the written estimate will not cover the cost of the repair?

The customer must be immediately notified and authorization obtained to continue the repairs. If the authorization is not given, you must "expeditiously" reassemble the vehicle in a condition reasonably similar to the condition in which it was received, UNLESS the customer waives reassembly or the reassembled vehicle would be unsafe. (F.S. 559.909(2))

Division of Consumer Services

Contact
If you have any questions, please contact:
Dave Skelton
E-mail skeltod@doacs.state.fl.us
2005 Apalachee Parkway
Tallahassee, Florida 32399
Phone: (850)410-3770
Fax: (850)410-3804
Map to the office
 

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