Confused even more now..big list...HELP

[sparky]

Thanks to all for the help you have been giving me i checked numbers on car and you were right about late model production.

I figured the best way to do this was give you all the info i could on the car at one time. i was told by experts that the numbers do not match in several areas. Now you helped me with the rear end but now im confused in a few other areas that they tell me is not possible. they want to fly down and look at the car but i want to be sure it is what they say before i waste those peoples time. (to fly down is thier idea not mine ) i actually just want to build a car i can be proud of and this vette is just what i always wanted. but at same time if it is a part of history i am not going to ruin it.

So here i go with these numbers off the car and maybe that can help to erase the confusion.

VIN# 194379S733317 ( already know this is late 69 prod)
Engine ID # V0930GC..this is 1 of the confusing parts Number goes to a 350CI/300HP engine but on plate by shifter it says 350ci/350hp also on breather it says 350 hp turbo fire
Intake # 3927184...I can match it close to a 69 model but not exact.... also had motor checked it has 12 to 1 compression at least. Company who checked it is a friend and builds racing motors for talladaga ( hope that is spelled right )
Behind carb in between dist and carb is 1208 on a plate
On rear of plate that fits on center console ( where 350/350 is is a part number P-3963148 and also below that is P-3963154
Clutch measures 11 inches across ( not sure if that matters )
Spare tire is original i was told but it is a uniroyal tiger paw with 1" whitewall
Rims are AZ 1-9 9 with k-19 stamped by center ring
Bell housing #3899621
Brake caliper parts # 5452281 and 5452284
radiator is a harrison 4 core ( can look inside and see 4 cores )
All sheild for heat under car are aluminum.
Car originally came from OHIO too ( again not sure if that matters )
Fly wheel has 11 marks on it in 2 diffrent locations on side
Also M45 stamped on rear passenger side of motor above flywheel
Stamped behind flywheel on rear of motor are 2 sets Numbers
P-side H-39
P-side 010
020

Anyways i hate to bother all who are here for fun with my Questions But this seems the best place to get an honest answer. Also found evidence that there was a roll cage on car or it could be where normal wear is on the frame ill attach pic of that here. they told me it looked like roll cage was cut off and frame was repaired ? Im not sure what it is..there is also a better pic under 69 rear end confused post that shows it better on other side

Thanks
Sparky

 

[MidShark]

sparky
I'm no expert, but here's what I can see:
Engine code of GC shows 350-350 HP- manual trans. w/transistorized ignition.
Intake is a '68 #- does it have an oil fill tube on it? either way it's to early for your car, I think.
Bellhousing # is for large flywheel/clutch I believe.
If I'm looking at what I think your casting # is, H-3-9(?) an August casting date sounds right for your car.
That's about all I can help with. But please clarify something for me. Who are these "experts" and why might they fly down to see your car? Is it something to do with the evidence that it was raced? My '66 was raced,(I, too, see where a rollbar was on mine at one time) but the modifications were all made by the original owner. I guess what I'm saying is, is it believed that this car has some fabled past, and what are your intentions with the car? Just trying to understand where you are coming from.

Dick

 

[sparky]

Hi dick

Again thanks for your help. i Guess i have been pretty Scarce with the right information and everyone here is helping so much. so i figure its best i spill the beans as you might say.

They seem to think this car is a vette that was driven in the SCCA by someone famous and they also mentioned can am too. they have not given that information to me yet as to who. Now!! i have been very skeptical as to what they are telling me as to i am new to this area and do not want to be scammed as it has been tried before ( when you have a large income it seems they come out of the woodwork ) . i have always wanted a vette and have no intentions of selling it at all. and especially if it is the value that they tell me it is .......possible up to 500k they say or more.

Now to give you a little history on me so you know where im coming from. and this is not a brag just simple facts then you might understand my concerns. i make in the 7 figure range yearly im not anything special just a constuction guy that has a good contract with a major retail chain i have 30 employees who put in a lot of overtime and i bought the car as there are times when i am stuck in my office and the car is in my shop next to offices so when there is down time i can slip over and do a little work it gets my mind off other things and gives me a hobby i can do and be close to the office if needed i have 1 employee who went to school for bodywork so he stays there to help me. ok enough about me i just wanted you to understand where i was coming from

They asked me not to do anything else to car to please stop all work. i was in the process of ordering parts for it . all original anyways but after giving them info on car and some specs on it they called me 2 days later. i thought order was on the way but it turns out they asked me to stop all work on car and please give them time to investigate more on it and if i could wait till this monday they would let me know more.

now i know it prob. sounds like a B.S. story but i just wanted to learn as much about the car as i could before they contacted me monday so i could compare information that they give me to what i have learned and to see if it needs to be taken any further or if they are just after a few bucks ( they have offered for 20k to restore it to original condition and to issue papers for the car to prove it is authentic. one of the things they said confused them was the last 2 digits of motor which GC should stand for 350ci/300hp and this car had 350/350 on it in 3 places it also has wider fenders then normal which is another trait of race cars then of course the frame has those 2 areas on it. and the past owner said he had the tranny checked and it was for sure a m22 R/C so that threw a red flag up to them im not sure exactly why but im sure its because they only put them in l88's

So they make the story believable but i just want to be sure. im not in need of the cash ( which it would be nice to luck into the car to have that value ) but that means i cannot drive it like i want or get the enjoyment that i would have as i am not qualified to restore a car of that caliber. So i hope you understand my concerns i dont want to ruin history or a good investment by doing this myself IF ( and i stress IF ) it is the real thing ( which i really doubt ) and if not i dont want to invest good money after something that is not true and then i can do it myself ( with help from my employees) ..... Whew sorry so long winded on this but i did want to make sure that you guys understand my need to get information and what better place then from all the people who understand vettes better then anyone else and thats the people who investigate or learn this on this bord ......again sorry to trouble you all with this but the need to know is important to me ( which honestly i prob would have checked it out myself here anyways witht this board just to learn what i could about the vette which is to me a very special car all in its own ) Whew thats more then i have typed in a long time



Thanks
Sparky

 

[sparky]

Hi again Dick

One thing i forgot it is 1st generation out of georgia ( Thats the company) of which i have no reason not to trust them for they seem very honest but to make you understand more. they actually only do camaros and i bought a camaro 1st to restore just to play with. and when getting parts for it i have found out it was a Z-28 1968 model. The manifolds for right and left had part numbers for the 302 engine which chevy owned in 67 thru 69 i bought car for 2k i tracked down engine and thats where i got the vette from while i was getting motor from the guy he mentioned he had a vette for 3200.00 all original well my eyes lit up and i bought it sight unseen ( which is my favorite car anyways ) i sent employees over to pick it up on a trailer . turns out both cars were bought from same man in ohio who got them from someone else who got them from another .....ect. but both cars seemed to stay together until camaro was sold to a friend of mine which i bought from him and when i tracked down the motor it turns out he was the same guy who got them both from ohio. so i actually lucked onto the vette. and thats how this started when i asked them about the vette too things got crazy after that. By the way they offered me 3 times what i paid for the camaro i turned that down and they also offered to get me any parts for the vette i needed if i would let them have the camaro. i hope that makes things seem not so crazy and puts story more in line as to my concern....lol sounds like a story from a book when ya actually read it hehe.

Thanks
Sparky

 

[sparky]

Hi All

I think we got it figured out. All except the engine code they said that it cannot be a 69 code for the GC on the code stands for the 67 and 68 motors and not the 69 ?? ... not a big thing i believe. it could be a motor for a GM corp person ( built for thier own specs they said ) the clutch if heavy duty is rare but im not even sure about that. but at least i am sure now i can go ahead and do the car myself ( still plan on going back original anyways ) and if it is a M22 tranny thats just a plus. im pretty much outta options anyways on tracking down info on car except for the original owners contact ( of which i am trying to get hold of ) . and a 4 core radiator is not standard either so i have some research to do to get it back to shape but i got time...

But i do appreciate all the help that Dick and others gave me on this it has helped a lot.......thanks all

Sparky

 

[76L82]

Sparky - Sometimes I'd rather be lucky than good...but lucky, good and rich too...man.. some guys have all the luck!!!

The way I look at it, even if this car doesn't pan out to have a documented racing lineage at the SCCA Trans Am level...it has a lot of racing hardware. The 69 model is one of the prettiest Vettes ...in my humble opinion. Enjoy!!

 

[JohnZ]

These "famous old race car" scams are everywhere now - I wouldn't pay one extra dime or believe anything anyone says about it without flawless authenticated documentation including SCCA logbooks, photos, tank sticker, P-O-P, etc. At the moment, it's just a '69 Corvette with the wrong engine, a way-too-early intake, wrong bellhousing, radiator, etc. "Old Race Cars" aren't worth a dime more than any other Corvette unless they have a fully-documented, well-known (and successful) racing history, and there are only a handful of those cars, all of which are well-known and well-documented.

Dunno who the "experts" are, or the current owner, but there's nothing to show it's anything but a NOM '69 Corvette. Period.

 

[sparky]

Hi 76L82

LOL Im not rich by any means ( most money goes back out the door almost as Quick as it comes in ) The camaro i proved was a Z-28 but it was a stroke of luck ( still not thru proving it yet tho i want to be very sure and i have no actual proof Yet except the engine which i will have to have tore down and checked to prove that ( could be just a set of manifolds in the trunk to Another car LOL ) And im not an expert by any means ....but it does seem lucky to have just one rare car.

But i do Agree with you on the 69 it os a beautiful car and the options are just more to play with on the car ( and maybe a few bragging rights lol ) but then again they could be a stroke of bad luck too if its not original parts thats way i am searching so hard.

HI JohnZ

Yes you are right it's just another vette...BUT God what a beautiful car......Its really not that important if it is a race car to me. It would have been nice to own some History But I just wanted to be sure that it was before i started this and your honest opinions have helped me. i have decided to start work on my own on the car as careful as i can and restore it to its Original condition and that was why i needed to find out if i needed to find other manifold or flywheel or whatever parts i needed to put it back to where it belongs. it is still important that i find out how it was built ( Wrong motor ...ect ) so i can go back to original. I have started back on the primer and sanding of the car tonight ( thats where i was Till Now) But i do thank you for your honest opinion on car you are peob. right ...but i have no reason not to trust that company they are very good company at what they do. and i thanked them for thier time this morning and told them that i have decided to go on my own here

 

[69autoXr]

The book that I have (Chevrolet By The Numbers, 65-69) lists ths the GC engine code as a 65-67 283ci, 195 hp, 3 spd passenger car police chassis. As for the roll bar/cage frame repairs, there ought to be more evidence than just two points of mounting, the SCCA would never have allowed a two-point roll bar, that wouldn't be safe at all. There would have to be either front or rear bracing of the hoop, or both. Another clue to it having been a race car is that it would probably have fully rewelded seams on the frame.
Looking at those pictures closer, I think those are just the #2 body mount locations, aren't they?

chris

 

[LEEJANDZ]

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JohnZ -- Dunno who the "experts" are, or the current owner, but there's nothing to show it's anything but a NOM '69 Corvette. Period.

What does NOM stand for???

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JASON *** BRAND NEW MAGNECOR WIRES FOR SALE!!! *** 1979 L-82

 

[pws69]

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What does NOM stand for???

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JASON *** BRAND NEW MAGNECOR WIRES FOR SALE!!! *** 1979 L-82

I was told: Not Original Match

 

[Tom73]

...All except the engine code they said that it cannot be a 69 code for the GC on the code stands for the 67 and 68 motors and not the 69 ?? ...

Per the Corvette Black Book, the GC code is correct for a '69 vette with the 350ci/350hp engine, manual trans, and transistor ignition.

What does NOM stand for???

Not Original Motor.

tom...

 

[GaryS]

I agree with JohnZ, before someone can tell me a car has race heritage, there had better be proof. Otherwise, just another Corvette modified by a previous owner.

Gary

 

[sparky]

Thanks Tom for info

I actually found out same today from a vette company outta dallas ( i been wearing those phones out lol ). So it is original motor for car ( vin # is on Block ) It is a learning process..... i am going thru It 1 step at a time to find out what i can. The past information i gave ia what i had been told now as i learn it it seems kinda silly to Hear it....lol...Makes me feel kinda foolish

There are so many things to learn about these cars its amazing ...like going back in time in a way i guess......still all in all it is a fun process to me ( if that makes sense ) I am getting an enjoyment out of learning about this car that i did not know i would. And i am also learning how to research this and not bother everyone on this board with questions that i am sure that have been answered a 1000 times before.

Transmission matches car i found vin # on it too. Of course i am sure i still have some rookie Questions to ask about it too. But am getting to point i am embarrassed to ask lol. Maybe if ok later ill ask on another Post. I am Sure when most get thier 1st vets they are told (as i was ) to make sure to check it out it Could be Or Is a special car. Anyways thanks for all the info on cars ill stick to reading and not asking so many Questions that i should be researching myself The help has been great and for sure made me understand car a lot better.

Thanks
Sparky

 

[sparky]

Thanks guys

Got tranny figured out too...just a little ol M-20 regular transmission....lol Im learning...did some internet research and i found out why he thought it was a M22 the Housing numbers ended with 61 instead of 60 which there was confusion with Muncie years ago that the M22's housing #'s ended with a 61



Your help has been great