entered my first points race

[Cape Cod Bob]

Cape Cod Bob,
So Cape Cod Bob, you can "suck this to" And I bettcha the one I ordered is bigger than yours.
Teresa

Teresa,
Check your coolaid...I think you got a bad batch.

Bob

 

[HotVetteHotBlonde-Wink]

Teresa,
Check your coolaid...I think you got a bad batch.

Bob

edited... please refrain from personal attacks

 

[MsSchroder]

Let's keep the personal insults out of this, OK?

 

[Cape Cod Bob]

I don't think I should be subject to personal attacks like the ones above.
Insult me all you want, but bring my wife into the mix and you're nothing but... EDIT I SAID LETS KEEP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS OUT PLEASE

 

[67HEAVEN]

MsSchroder suggested that the personal attacks stop.

I'd suggest that everyone take heed.

 

[black_81_vette]

Well thruthfully none of this is my buisness but here goes..... I cant understand what this ****ing match is all about, ok some body gets thier stupid ego hurt because a woman is succesful owns a vette ect.ect. Then the other goes on a rant about males in her life being spineless jellyfish (wich may be true) all I can say is were not perfect not eaqual in many ways but we still have to coexist so In my view its wasted time to try to change ones views on certain subjects.You have to prove nothing so just enjoy life and your vette while you still can.

 

[Mac]

This wiil be long but something Id like to express here.

Teresa, I think you've read more into Cape Cod Bob's comments than was there which is why it appears you've personalized your remarks toward him. Remember- personal attacks are a breach of the CAC's Acceptable Use Policy and not permitted. Since it's obvious that you feel strongly about this subject, allow me to chip in a few remarks from this male's perspective.

Congratulations on all that you've done with your life. You've fought for everything you have and can take righteous pride in your accomplishments. From what you've said, it's evident you've learned many lessons about character and integrity. If I can presume to condense your words, it appears what you're saying is that integrity defies gender. I agree wholeheartedly.

Like you, I was raised in poverty and I've worked my way up society's ladder. I'm a cop (as you know) but you might not know that my wife is also a cop so I have some insight into her experience in the same organization as mine. Despite our employer's efforts, we are still a male-dominated organization. I've seen and dealt with many of the same kinds of situations as you've described... but I've also seen situations like what Cape Cod Bob described. The choices people make form the character they become; right, wrong or indifferent.

At the end of the day, those of us who've bootstrapped themselves up need to watch that our righteous pride in our accomplishments doesn't make us condescend on those who haven't succeeded as well.

-Mac

ps: Dang.... I write too slow... look at all the stuff that happened while I was scribing.

 

[HotVetteHotBlonde-Wink]

Ill refrain. And on a more serious note;
It was a sarcastic remark, I really dont know anything about bobs marital status.
I also dont care about peoples financials. I do not enjoy though, doing the same work as a man has, plus a women, and still be treated as an inferior sex in any way shape or form. Bob had shown strong indications of this mentality, "in General". I was angered by bob and his group of guys laughing/degrading a women driving in an event, as in his post. This could stop her, or some other women, from ever participating again. Also it sets them up for feeling like there being severely judged in there performance while on the track, and that they have to be a winner at there first or second event, or if not they arent good enough. And as well as other women drivers getting that idea that read comments like this on this site, and therefore may not even try it because of it. Thats wrong. The way you think mentaly on the track is very important. Can make or brake you. We should encourage women and men alike to learn in the proper manner on the track. Not to feel they need to prove something, and right away. That is what will "not" produce a good driver. All need to encourage them with advice if you are a more experienced driver etc. doing otherwise, as bob and his buddys did, is a personall attack on them because of there gender. That is abusive. It happens alot I have a feeling. And yes I will attack at the juggular anyone that throws that crap my way or I see it happening to someone else, even to another male, either way. Everybody should. Otherwise it will keep happening. My describing myself and my life was to try to help men understand that what there beliefs are on women being a inferior sex isnt true and not based on facts. Mabey wrong place to do it, mabey not. For any man to downgrade me as a women after Ive done a mans job as well as my own will not be tolerated. I have been through hell and back and struggled, so how dare any of them. But, Ive been poor longer than I wasnt. Alot longer. So please dont misunderstand my intentions. But one thing I ask of every male or female out there is please, when you see men making jokes or degrading a women for competing in a male dominate event. Say something! I use sarcastic remarks, yes. Thats "my" way. Right or wrong. I will show any man respect first untill he disrespects me, after that he gets no more respect back. I will refrain doing so on this site, yes, but I will not appoligize, because it wouldnt be sincere. Understand though, I have seen alot of this mentality in the very short time Ive been involved with corvette clubs/racing, etc. Its starting to get real old, real quick. Its caused me to have thoughts of "why in the hell do I need this crap again" And thoughts of not getting involved with the clubs or groups in the corvette world. I said thoughts, but I still plan to stay with it. There are alot of great people as well, in the corvette family, that I have had the privledge to meet. So this thread can end, and I will refrain, on this site, as you wish.
Teresa

 

[Mac]

There are alot of great people as well, in the corvette family, that I have had the privledge to meet.

I think this is what you need to focus on rather than trying to redress all social ills.

Here's a thought for you to try to put things into perspective- imagine if, by laughing at the hyper-intense female at the track who was unsuccessful, the group were acting exactly as they would if a hyper-intense male had achieved the same result. In other words, if they weren't laughing because of gender- they were laughing because of the irony of the situation. No equality issue whatsoever. I'm not saying that was the case; I want you to open your mind to that distinct possibility.

Now, if my premise was actual and the female desisted racing, is that the fault of the group or the personal weakness of the female? The answer isn't easy because it is conditional. Did the female become part of the group (ie: earning respect & support) or did she simply arrive and start demanding? Must the group be supportive to someone who demonstrates unpleasant personality traits? As far as I'm concerned, support and respect must be earned.

It's great that you're strong enough to be able to confront issues but that strength needs to be regulated or else you'll spend all of your time screaming and no-one wants to deal with that. I'm willing to bet you don't act that way as a leader. Just because you have a hammer, that doesn't make every problem a nail, right? Here in the CAC, the mods & admins provide guidance and discipline when problems arise so rather than tearing someone a new one, use the "report" link which is at the bottom of every post and we'll take care of it.

Incidently, no-one has "reported" this thread. One of the CAC staffers abserved the storm brewing which is why we're having this discussion.

-Mac

 

[HotVetteHotBlonde-Wink]

I think this is what you need to focus on rather than trying to redress all social ills.

Here's a thought for you to try to put things into perspective- imagine if, by laughing at the hyper-intense female at the track who was unsuccessful, the group were acting exactly as they would if a hyper-intense male had achieved the same result. In other words, if they weren't laughing because of gender- they were laughing because of the irony of the situation. No equality issue whatsoever. I'm not saying that was the case; I want you to open your mind to that distinct possibility.

Now, if my premise was actual and the female desisted racing, is that the fault of the group or the personal weakness of the female? The answer isn't easy because it is conditional. Did the female become part of the group (ie: earning respect & support) or did she simply arrive and start demanding? Must the group be supportive to someone who demonstrates unpleasant personality traits? As far as I'm concerned, support and respect must be earned.

It's great that you're strong enough to be able to confront issues but that strength needs to be regulated or else you'll spend all of your time screaming and no-one wants to deal with that. I'm willing to bet you don't act that way as a leader. Just because you have a hammer, that doesn't make every problem a nail, right? Here in the CAC, the mods & admins provide guidance and discipline when problems arise so rather than tearing someone a new one, use the "report" link which is at the bottom of every post and we'll take care of it.

Incidently, no-one has "reported" this thread. One of the CAC staffers abserved the storm brewing which is why we're having this discussion.

-Mac

Mac with all due respect to you, I do not agree with you. Thats fine to disagree. And god knows this subject is stale.
Some men get angry when a women trys to be in a male dominated sport. They do not want it. Now how does comman sense tell you they will behave towards that women? There are alot of men that do not want women in a male type job, no matter what. Doesnt matter mack if you can do it or not, thats not the issue here with these men. The issue is they really dont want you there. The little lady needs to go home and do some dishes and be put back in her place and let the men do the mans job, or sport or whatever. These women competing with the men in a mans circle have got to go through all kinds of hell to even get to the point of being respected. Alot harsher than a male in some fields. Ya know mack if I have to go through that to get it, I dont want there respect. Theres a difference Mack and if honest, all men would agree to it existing. You know it to. So no I wont wear rose colored glasses and pretent its not happening. I mean no disrrespect towards you in this conversation what so ever, but I am a women, you are a man, so you cannot fully understand what its like to be a women in a mans arena. Unless youve walked in the shoes. But please dont invalidate what other women and myself have dealt with, and pretend it doesnt exist. Not talking for all women and there own individual experiences.
But this conversation is getting to be like beating a dead horse over and over. I have tryed ending it before, then someone responds and I feel a need to respond back, then they, to myn. As you have mentioned, I do feel strongly about this subject, you are correct. Ive spoken way way to much about it on this site and feel like its taking on a life of itself, keeps snowballing. Im looking like a womens lib fanatic. I dont go around openly preaching it and I dont know why Im doing it here. Theres really nothing more about the subject to discuss Mac. Id really like to end it there. I am at work and cant hardly complete this anyway. Its very busy. I keep having to type a couple words and then come back to it. Can we at least ALL agree on one thing, and thats to end this subject? We should all have no problem agreeing to that. I understand and take responsibility that I was the one who heated the subject up to begin with.
And to you and your wife, be careful out there on the streets, & be safe.
Off to my corvette club meeting, all take care.
Teresa

 

[Mac]

I understand and take responsibility that I was the one who heated the subject up to begin with.

Good enough for me.

-Mac

 

[HotVetteHotBlonde-Wink]

Good enough for me.

-Mac

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[Marlar]

I had to do a search to find the PMS card, and I fail to get your point by sending me to that website. :confused

 

[HotVetteHotBlonde-Wink]

I had to do a search to find the PMS card, and I fail to get your point by sending me to that website. :confused

I was being *****y, in my posts, PMS. Its not really important.
Im not good with computors and am trying my hand at putting links on posts. Havent got it down yet. The PMS card is animated and was just my way of lightening it up a bit. Not a big deal.

 

[Norseman]

Ricer Racer.

Holey Moley, anyway I bet I can beat your son with my rice burner. Ask your son if he has ever come up against a STi, especially one with mods. I just use my vette for the street. AWD is the best at the track. No comment on all that other venting.:cool