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I really should do some reading homework on the policy of naming names here but Bob (Stepinwolf) has named a name so I will follow his lead. All the new weatherstripping on my 1967 (painted last spring) came from Corvette Rubber. It fits perfectly.

But that is basically just the doors. For reasons I do not recall (probably my ignorance of paint work) I did not have the shop remove the front and back glass so the trim replacement did not become an issue.

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sorry to jump in on 67Heavens issues with my car again but I reread a lot of what you said Stepinwolf (sorry, saying "Bob" will get too confusing) and what Heaven is saying and my problem does sound similar to his. I'm not doubting or questioning you technique Stepinwolf but like 67Heaven, a lot of where the SS trim on my windshield is not laying flat is along the top piece also, more so than the bottom piece. Also, Everything layed perfectly flat while he was test fitting it and the less-than-flush-fit only came about once the new windshield gasket was put on (same windshield glass as was on previously).
I got the new gasket from either LICS or Paragon - I'd have to look in my file to check which but I've always thought the trim molding fit issue was more likely caused by the gasket being possibly too thick.
Perhaps the Corvette Rubber gaskets are just much better. :confused

Well, it's not a major enough issue to bother dealing with this year or this winter so I'll wait to see what kind of luck 67Heaven has trying to correct his and take it from there.
 
BarryK said:
sorry to jump in on 67Heavens issues with my car again but I reread a lot of what you said Stepinwolf (sorry, saying "Bob" will get too confusing) and what Heaven is saying and my problem does sound similar to his. I'm not doubting or questioning you technique Stepinwolf but like 67Heaven, a lot of where the SS trim on my windshield is not laying flat is along the top piece also, more so than the bottom piece. Also, Everything layed perfectly flat while he was test fitting it and the less-than-flush-fit only came about once the new windshield gasket was put on (same windshield glass as was on previously).
I got the new gasket from either LICS or Paragon - I'd have to look in my file to check which but I've always thought the trim molding fit issue was more likely caused by the gasket being possibly too thick.
Perhaps the Corvette Rubber gaskets are just much better. :confused

Well, it's not a major enough issue to bother dealing with this year or this winter so I'll wait to see what kind of luck 67Heaven has trying to correct his and take it from there.

Barry

I am not offended by being called " Stepinwolf " so no need to apologize. Need I have to ask if the correct 90 degree retainer, is properly fixed in it's position at each top corner. This one is different from all the other clips, and is meant to pull down on each end of the mouldings to hold them firmly in place. I don't mean any dis-respect in working techniques, or basic knowledge, but when trouble shooting, nothing should be overlooked.

Stepinwolf



Stepinwolf
 
too many Bob's, Dennis's and Paul's on this forum! :)

I really don't know about or how the corner pieces attached. The corner pieces are actually sitting pretty good and flush as are the sides and the bottom is pretty good with only a very, very narrow gap that is consistent across the whole bottom (barely enough to even slide a sheet of paper under. The biggest issue is definately the top trim piece along the roofline.
Everything was attached with all new clips and screws although contrary to your method (which made a lot of sense to me and so simple really) I believe all the clips were attached using the existing holes that were there.
The very odd part is that I purchased all brand new repro SS trim moldings for this and everything fit fine pretty much except the new top piece which wouldn't fit at all when we went to put it on so the top piece is the only one that we ended up going back and using my original piece - which happens to also be the same piece that was used during the test fitting and it fit perfect than and very flush so try to figure that one out! It would have made more sense if we test fitted the old pieces and than the new repros didn't fit, but in this case we test fitted with the old pieces and now that's the one piece that doesn't sit flush. :confused
 
With respect, and my usual ignorance of usual Corvette subjects, why would you invite this problem by pulling out the glass? You have seen my pic. My paint job looks great without adding that dimension of aggravation! Just curious.
 
paul67 said:
With respect, and my usual ignorance of usual Corvette subjects, why would you invite this problem by pulling out the glass? You have seen my pic. My paint job looks great without adding that dimension of aggravation! Just curious.

Paul,

Assuming that question was directed to me, I posted the answer in #18 above.

67HEAVEN said:
...a new windshield (old was glass-pitted and the laminate was bubbling in one corner)

Also, as with so many of these cars, it leaked water. If the carpets are wet, there's a good chance that the birdcage at the lower windshield is wet too. Wet metal means rust. Rust means weakness and eventually holes. That's what I found on the driver's side at the lower windshield. The only way to repair is to remove the windshield and dash.
 
stepinwolf,

Thanks for the very detailed response. Based on your experience, I'll certainly source the new weatherstrip from http://www.corvette-rubber.com/

Yes, the previous "fit reasonably well" scenario would be just fine. I took extreme care when removing the stainless and cannot see any warpage.

If you had taken the steps with us (Fuelie, Z28Canuck and me) you would recognize the upper stainless situation as "failure to reach the clips" near the two corners. The actual corner stainless pieces are mounted fine.

You cannot notice the problem from in front. Even from behind, most people don't notice. I notice. ;)
 
BarryK said:
too many Bob's, Dennis's and Paul's on this forum! :)

I really don't know about or how the corner pieces attached. The corner pieces are actually sitting pretty good and flush as are the sides and the bottom is pretty good with only a very, very narrow gap that is consistent across the whole bottom (barely enough to even slide a sheet of paper under. The biggest issue is definitely the top trim piece along the roof line.
Everything was attached with all new clips and screws although contrary to your method (which made a lot of sense to me and so simple really) I believe all the clips were attached using the existing holes that were there.

The very odd part is that I purchased all brand new repro SS trim moldings for this and everything fit fine pretty much except the new top piece which wouldn't fit at all when we went to put it on so the top piece is the only one that we ended up going back and using my original piece - which happens to also be the same piece that was used during the test fitting and it fit perfect than and very flush so try to figure that one out! It would have made more sense if we test fitted the old pieces and than the new repros didn't fit, but in this case we test fitted with the old pieces and now that's the one piece that doesn't sit flush. :confused

Barry

If I didn't know you better I would think you are trying to pull one over on me. When I first responded to your post requesting help with an ill fitting piece of trim, I was under the impression that some body work had been done, and because of that, the trim piece no longer fit correctly.

However with this post of yours everything is getting much clearer. You had mentioned that your body man had prefit the trim, and that now that the car was finished, and painted that the trim no longer fit properly, leaving me, and most probably everyone else, thinking that the work had somehow contributed to the trim no longer fitting correctly.

However in the above post, you go into some additional details that completely change the story line. Let me try and make things perfectly clear for all who might be reading this post. Then you can respond if my assumptions happen to be incorrect.

Step 1, Your body man pre-fits the upper trim piece with the original section, and everything turns out perfect.

Step 2, The work is done, paint has finally been applied, and now the trim section no longer fits properly.

Step 3, We post on the Forum to see if anyone has a solution to my problem.

Step 4, Multiple solutions are offered, but it seems to be to no avail because the problem is always there.

Well Barry, as the saying goes, climb in, sit down, shut up, and hold on.

Now with this post of yours, ( see above ) the story line is different then was previously explained. Here is how I now understand your above post.

Your painter took the original factory trim piece, and found that it fit correctly. Then is he did all the labour on the car, and after the final painting and assembly, he is now supplied with a repro moulding, and the repro moulding no longer fits properly

Then Barry goes straight to the Forum, and asks what happen during the labour to his car, that would not permit the molding to be used. Barry, HELLO, anybody up there, we are talking repro here, and what should that bring immediately to your mind.

PARTS THAT DO NOT FIT CORRECTLY.

How many times have you heard members complaining that the so and so repro part that they just purchased cannot be used, or can be installed but the fit is incorrect. Shît, I could probably buy a car if all the complaints were accompagnied by a one dollar donation. Barry, it's a known fact repro's are just that repro's and do not necessary have the proper fit and finish, that is found with original parts.

Please go back to your painter, hand him your abused original piece, and magically, there will be no longer any problem with the labour, the rubber, the clips, or anything else for that matter, and the moulding will fit correctly.

Stepinwolf

P.S. Rather then go out and buy additional repro trim pieces, why did you not have the originals repaired and polished out ? Never any re-installation problems with them.
 
Bob

no, you have misunderstood. sorry if it wasn't clear.

1. yes, bodywork had been done.
2. original moldings were used during the bodywork and constantly test fitted so that it was sure that with the fiberglass repairs everything was even and the moldings would sit properly and flush.
3. after paint during reassembly the new repro moldings - except the top section- were than installed without major issues, only a very, very minor space along the bottom - not the issue i'm trying to discuss here.
3. The only repro piece that gave a problem was the top piece so we we decided to reuse the original top piece which is also the same top piece that was used during the test fits. This is the only section that is now giving fit problems.
so, in summary the only section giving a fit problem by not sitting flush is the original top piece that was on the car and which was used during the test fits. The repro pieces are fitting fine ironicly.

The reason I purchased new repro moldings was because a few of the sections had dents and flat spots in by what looks like someone in the past tried to install them by hitting them with a big mallet. I figured since I had to buy most of the pieces to replace those than I might as well just buy the rest also so everything would look equally new.
 
BarryK said:
Bob

no, you have misunderstood. sorry if it wasn't clear.

1. yes, bodywork had been done.
2. original moldings were used during the bodywork and constantly test fitted so that it was sure that with the fiberglass repairs everything was even and the moldings would sit properly and flush.
3. after paint during reassembly the new repro moldings - except the top section- were than installed without major issues, only a very, very minor space along the bottom - not the issue i'm trying to discuss here.
3. The only repro piece that gave a problem was the top piece so we we decided to reuse the original top piece which is also the same top piece that was used during the test fits. This is the only section that is now giving fit problems.
so, in summary the only section giving a fit problem by not sitting flush is the original top piece that was on the car and which was used during the test fits. The repro pieces are fitting fine ironicly.

The reason I purchased new repro moldings was because a few of the sections had dents and flat spots in by what looks like someone in the past tried to install them by hitting them with a big mallet. I figured since I had to buy most of the pieces to replace those than I might as well just buy the rest also so everything would look equally new.

Barry,

Thank you for clearing everything up. :) Had I known about the repro thing, I would not have gone into any lengthly explanations or additional details, regarding the ill-fitting top section. Glad to see that things finally turned out OK.

Were you able to get the original top section worked on ( cleaned and polished ) so that the look's would be acceptable next to the new pieces. ?

Stepinwolf
 
paul67 said:
I really should do some reading homework on the policy of naming names here but Bob (Stepinwolf) has named a name so I will follow his lead. All the new weatherstripping on my 1967 (painted last spring) came from Corvette Rubber. It fits perfectly.

Paul,
Unlike some forums, here we don't restrict the naming of names to just those that pay for advertisement. We, however, do not allow vendors to basically post unpaid advertisements in the technical forums. If a vendor would post to a thread and say something like "We make that item and you can contact me at ......" then that is acceptable. If he turns an answer into a lengthy advertisement, then that isn't acceptable.

That said, we welcome any referrence to a vendor or source that has a quality product that will solve a problem for our members. Corvette Rubber Company is usually the name mentioned over on the NCRS Tech Board whenever the subject of proper fit and original appearance comes up.

I had the windshield taken out of my '67 Goodwood Green (great color by the way) coupe for exactly the reason Bob ('67) says. It was leaking. It was a new glass when I bought the car but the seal was old. Fortunately this was long enough ago that I was still able to order a GM seal from the Chevy store. I had City Glass in Fort Wayne do the deed and everything fit perfectly afterword. My mouldings weren't show quality but the car was a daily driver. It sounds like I should have bought a few sets for speculation since they were still available from GM at the time too.

Tom
 
Thank you Tom,

For clearing up what I always thought was permissible.

You have my best regards :w
Bob

a.k.a. Stepinwolf
 
stepinwolf said:
Barry,

Thank you for clearing everything up. :) Had I known about the repro thing, I would not have gone into any lengthly explanations or additional details, regarding the ill-fitting top section. Glad to see that things finally turned out OK.

Were you able to get the original top section worked on ( cleaned and polished ) so that the look's would be acceptable next to the new pieces. ?

Stepinwolf

Bob
yes, the top section was in decent shape and it cleaned up fine. Luckily it was one piece that wasn't all dented up so we were able to reuse it since the repro top section wouldn't fit at all. The only problem with that original top section is that just won't sit down all the way flush against the roofline.
Other than the top section fit, you really can't tell at all that it's an original item and the others are repro's.

Don't apoligize for your previous lengthy explanation. It was great to hear your method of fitting the trim moldings and I learned a lot from it. It's so simple yet I'm sure the way you explained it it's also very effective in allowing the moldings to sit properly and if I ever have to redo my moldings I'll be sure to remember your method :beer
 
Paul

My painter doesn't always remove the glass although he does a lot of the time. On my car I actually insisted he remove all the glass for the simple reason that it car leaked like a sieve and I wanted this opportunity to replace the gaskets front and rear to help solve that issue. Also, with all the leaking I was concerned about the birdcage as 67Heaven also mentioned so I wanted the glass out so we could inspect it, make any repairs as needed (which luckily it didn't need), and reprime and seal it for more protection before installing the new gasket, clips, etc. Since I don't plan on having this much of the car disassembled again it seemed the best time to do it while it was getting painted and worked on. Yes, it created a bit of a issue on the molding fit afterwards, but that's better than the leaks and it did stop 99% of the leaking from the windshield and rear window.
Now I just have to stop the leaks coming in from under the wiper arm grills but that's a winter project i have planned and Dennis (Midyear) already showed me at Carlisle where and how to do the sealing up on that area.
 
Barry,
My car did not leak pre-paint. The shop said they could do the full Monty but glass breakage was my expense. I backed off at that point. Plus it added hours of labour $s and after specing the job, and with a new house on the horizon, I said go for it. No regrets.
 
Paul
don't blame you. if mine didn't leak I probably would not have had the glass removed either
 

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