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EricVonHa

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After seeing some of the sale prices for various cars at the Barrett-Jackson auction, it got me thinking about the future price of Callaway Corvettes. What did they sell for on average from ’87 to ’91? Some sold on the low end for ~$65k and on the high end I’ve seen some Aerobody cars with sticker prices of over $110k. So, let’s just use a simple average not taking into account how many of the cars were built or what year is more popular than another or there were more cars produced in such and such a year. This is just a very general statistical thought off the top of my head and I’m interested to see what your thoughts are and how they feed into predicting the future value of these cars. So, let’s say the average price a twin turbo Aerobody car from ’87 to ’91 (new) was $80k. What will it be worth 30 years after the production date?? Discuss….

Will history repeat itself is my first question.? In ’67 the Shelby GT500 Mustangs sold for ~$4,000.00. This was quite a few pennies above a standard Mustang. And, this is where I’d like to draw a parallel: The Callaway Twin Turbo Option was roughly 30% over the cost of a new Corvette back in ’89. Relatively—the Shelby Mustang can draw a similar comparison compared to a Ford “stock” new Mustang from ’67. With the Shelby options, a GT500/350’s were relatively 30% more expensive. From ’65 to ’67 the Shelby shop cranked out less than a few thousand examples of GT350 and GT500 cars. Shelby’s name carried through to just past 1970—but only in a similar fashion to that of Callaway. Shelby had exclusive Ford support from ’65 to ’67. Callaway had exclusive GM support and a GM RPO code from ’87 to ’91. After those “hay-day” years, both companies thrived and continued their own development. But, it was without the support of the Detroit brass.

Gas prices? Well, I looked up a chart that shows all the gasoline prices from 1949 forward and I found that leaded gas cost 33 cents PER GALLON back then. In the Philadelphia area, this past year has seen regular 87 unleaded hovering in the $1.40 per gallon range. It signifies an almost quadrupling of gas prices in 30 years!

Now, back to the 30-year mustang comparison. I’ve seen a fair number of Shelby Mustangs sell within the $60k range over the last few years. These cars are typically well documented and are mostly original cars. (forget about the $250k GT500 that sold at Barrett—though, please agree with me that sale prices like that which will bolster any market) What’s the percentage increase in value over 30 years if the car sold for $4k new and it brings $60k in 2004?? My calculator almost broke on this one! Basically, in today’s market—the Shelby Mustang is worth 15 TIMES what it was worth in ’67 !!

Do the math on our Twin Turbo comparison… $80k multiplied by 15 times… see where I’m going with this? How does $1,200,000.00 sound?? Certainly there are a lot of things to be discussed with regard to my simple math and comparisons… I’m anxious to see what everyone thinks.

What other cars can say that they have they have the heritage of the Callaway Corvettes or the Shelby Mustangs? Leave the ZR1’s out of this for the time being. We don’t want to clog this thread with banter on the Callaway vs. ZR1. But, do you see the comparison of Shelby vs. Callaway? Both were avid race car drivers, both have a recognized name in the automotive world, both have produced modified American sports cars in a limited production capacity directly for Ford and GM. Where does it go from here? What other cars can say that they have these collectible attributes? What do you think other collectible cars will sell for from this era? What other cars will be collectible? Long story short—the stock market has been doing great and the Dow has been over 10k for the last short term—but I think I’m going to keep my Callaway!

What do you think?
 
I would think we are more like the L88 corvette as far as low production.And look at the prices they are getting for those.Just a thought.I know we would love to see the value skyrocket.Maybe Bloomington will have some affect to the value after being the SPECIAL DISPLAY VEHICLE. Also the Callaways were swamped with people trying to take a look at the beautiful cars that were to be auctioned in Scottsdale. So the publicty is growing on these cars just look at this forum how it has grown in the past couple of years. Also the formation of THE CALLAWAY OWNER'S GROUP. So interest is definately growing on the cars.Just my 2 cents
 
I'd like to see the prices on these cars sky rocket........just after I get mine!
 
callaway4fun said:
I would think we are more like the L88 corvette as far as low production.And look at the prices they are getting for those.Just a thought.I know we would love to see the value skyrocket.Maybe Bloomington will have some affect to the value after being the SPECIAL DISPLAY VEHICLE. Also the Callaways were swamped with people trying to take a look at the beautiful cars that were to be auctioned in Scottsdale. So the publicty is growing on these cars just look at this forum how it has grown in the past couple of years. Also the formation of THE CALLAWAY OWNER'S GROUP. So interest is definately growing on the cars.Just my 2 cents
Pete, you are 110% correct - We have also made quite an impact at the Carlisle show, as our Callaways are some of the most photographed and talked about cars there and have gotten a great response from those in attendance :upthumbs

It is nice to see the recognition these cars are getting :)

re: pricing, seems to be holding while every other C4 is dropping still... Callaways can be difficult to price, as there are many variables but, I think the fact the cars have held values is a testament to the awesome packages they are :v
 
Isn't it true that the cars that are worth the most are the cars that are all
original or restored to original.
Now, what about the Callaway. You could order a B2K from GM. But, did GM
have a place on their order sheet for the aerobody converson or any of the
other upgrades you could get from Callaway? If not, how will this effect the
future value of the Callaway? What is considered original and what is not?
I have always been curious about this.
What do you guys think?
Has anyone talked to the NCRS or Bloomington Gold about this? :confused
 
My 2 cents
I think the next 10 years will be real good for appreciation. I agree and always felt we will be the L88 of the future. Face it, what brings the money, low production and high horsepower! Carlisle, Bloomington, and Barrett Jackson are the start of public awareness. Also Callaways reintry into the C5 & hopefully C6 markets will help. The biggest problem as you guys have covered is parts. You can get any nut or bolt for a midyear but if we can't maintain the B2K 10 years from now it will have an effect. Course in 11 years of ownership I've never had one problem, thank god, so maybe it's not a huge issue. Anyway enjoy and literally hang-on for now.
 
Just like vintage wine, it's just a matter of time. The older they get the more they're gonna be worth.

Just wait till they're at least 25+ years old.
 
Good point, anniv88. Not sure anyone knows. Personally I have keep mine exactly as ordered till I know. BJ auction this year showed it might not matter as much anymore.
 
Shelby changed all the body parts on the Shelby Mustangs to fiberglass parts too (except for fenders and doors) In comparison with the Callaway Aerobody, I don't think it would hurt the value really. In the short (current) term we're seeing that Aerobody cars are selling for more than standard Vette bodied cars. Part of this is because the look is astounding and the kit is very pricey. Two summers ago, I had the naca ducts rescultptured on my hood by a master fiberglass craftsman. He had to do that because they are no longer in production and there are no parts available. The Shelby cars don't have any NOS parts available-- hardly at all. If you're looking to find an original gage package-- it'll cost you $1500. If you want a Shelby roll bar mounted seat belt retractor?? Over $1k again! The price goes with the availability and I guess I'm saying that there is not much Callaway stuff out there at this point.

Oh, and NCRS is looking into adding the Callaway lineup to their lineup!
 
anniv88 said:
Isn't it true that the cars that are worth the most are the cars that are all
original or restored to original.
Now, what about the Callaway. You could order a B2K from GM. But, did GM
have a place on their order sheet for the aerobody converson or any of the
other upgrades you could get from Callaway? If not, how will this effect the
future value of the Callaway? What is considered original and what is not?
I have always been curious about this.
What do you guys think?
Has anyone talked to the NCRS or Bloomington Gold about this? :confused
I agree that once a car has been restored, sometimes even repainted, its value is less than a "survivor". That said, Callaways might be the exception (many were repainted during aero installation).

The majority of Callaway Corvettes were carriers of the unique RPO B2K option and that is recognized by everyone including GM, etc. The Aerobodies did not show up as an RPO however, my personal thoughts on this are ANY B2K built after car # 89-005 with an aerobody is correct. Why is this? 89-005 wore the prototype bodywork and it took a bit of time to get them (production) rolling. Many 1989 owners intended to have their B2K's leave Old Lyme wearing the bodies but it was often dificult to have body and car produced at the same run. I know some owners paid for Aerobodies and have paperwork dating back to before their cars were constructed, even though the bodies and car did not "meet" in Old Lyme, the body was paid for prior to construction.


If I see an Aerobody on an 87 or 88, I know it could not have been original but, it is a correct offering from Callaway and to me, honestly, it reduces value in NO WAY to me - I would say it adds value as it is a desireable kit :)

Now, What about the "Direct Conversion" cars? They are Callaway Twin Turbo Corvettes w/out the RPO B2K. Why are there cars out there w/ out the RPO? A few reasons why - A GM strike kept supply down, dealers sent cars they had, rather than wait and also, cars were brought there out of the "pool" to become TT's by owners, etc. at other times too.
Are they any "less" of a Callaway, Hardly. They have ALL of the same power and looks, minus 3 little alpha-numerics in the glove box. The nice thing is, Callaway Cars has maintained a list of ALL cars built and can verify them - I drove car #89-069, a direct conversion car. It was one of the most powerful cars I have ever sampled and was correct and wore all emblems / plaques.

Now what about originality?? The wheels should be Dymags (16" or 17" ) in 1987 or the stock 87 wheels... 17" Dymags were on 88-90's and some 91's. OZ 17" wheels were also on some 91's - check w/ Callaway Cars to see what yours should have.
Other mods, Exhaust - fine for the road but, the NCRS, etc will want the Callaway offered exhaust - either Megaphones or, the stock high flow's w/ Callaway embossed tips.

Engine mods - again, mods that were done, offered by Callaway are fine and should be doccumented otherwise judging will reflect this.
I recently found out Callaway Cars offered a ZF6 -or- Richmond 6 speed conversions for 4+3 cars, both would be correct then, with paperwork.

I have talked to a few folks about this and am always finding doccuments about "correctness".

In no way, am I saying do not modify your car, just save (tag&bag) your original parts if you do :v Hope this helps :beer
 
anniv88 said:
Has anyone talked to the NCRS or Bloomington Gold about this? :confused

This is a big year for Callaways in general. 1st was the Barrett Jackson Auction and 2nd-- the cars are the featured "Special Collection" at Bloomington this year! :beer
 
Thanks for the information and opinions guys.

I've passed on a couple of Callaways in the last 3 or 4 years because they
were not B2K cars. :cry I guess I'll have to include them all the next time
I'm in the market. :beer
 
Anniv88,

Obviously the only Callaway RPO is the B2K. Any other modification, as long as it is a Callaway offered or installed part should only increase the value of the car, the most obvious being the Aerobody. Non-Callaway modifications may not add value. The again, that might be debated depending on the condition of the car.

Example, Callaway offered Brembo brakes. They are no longer available. Depending on the power of the car, brake upgrades might be recommended. A high powered car might need better stopping power than the original J55 brakes. So would adding Baer brakes increase its value? One would think so.

Obviously what determines the value of a car is what someone is willing to pay for it. Since the Callaway cars are low production (and high powered cars), one would presume they follow after what other low production unique vehicles have done given the right media visibility and if properly cared for.

I believe the major goal of the Callaway Owners Group is to promote and help owners maintain these cars while enjoying the fun, power, and beauty they offer. If we do our job right the value of these cars will take care of itself. Hopefully more owners will join us as the we become more visible and I thank the CAC for helping us with the use of this Forum and Callaway Cars for supporting our group.

See you folks in Bloomington,

Luigi
:cool
 
I drove car #89-069, a direct conversion car. It was one of the most powerful cars I have ever sampled and was correct and wore all emblems / plaques.

Chris, now you need to come vacation in FL, and between Luigi and I you can sample two 475hp monsters :D :D
 
TurboLuigi said:
Anniv88,

Obviously the only Callaway RPO is the B2K. Any other modification, as long as it is a Callaway offered or installed part should only increase the value of the car, the most obvious being the Aerobody. Non-Callaway modifications may not add value. The again, that might be debated depending on the condition of the car.

Example, Callaway offered Brembo brakes. They are no longer available. Depending on the power of the car, brake upgrades might be recommended. A high powered car might need better stopping power than the original J55 brakes. So would adding Baer brakes increase its value? One would think so.

Obviously what determines the value of a car is what someone is willing to pay for it. Since the Callaway cars are low production (and high powered cars), one would presume they follow after what other low production unique vehicles have done given the right media visibility and if properly cared for.

I believe the major goal of the Callaway Owners Group is to promote and help owners maintain these cars while enjoying the fun, power, and beauty they offer. If we do our job right the value of these cars will take care of itself. Hopefully more owners will join us as the we become more visible and I thank the CAC for helping us with the use of this Forum and Callaway Cars for supporting our group.

See you folks in Bloomington,

Luigi
:cool

^^^^^What he said :cool :upthumbs :v
 
It will be interesting to see if the values of these cars rise in the next price guides that the magazines put out.. The 1991 Callaways are 15 years old this year and the 1987's are 19 years old. The values should start to rise shortly and should appreciate much better than the ZR1's being that they only produced just over 500 B2k's and if my memory serves me right about 7000 Zr1's. These cars are (B2k) the modern day L88's and we all know they are getting big and I mean big money for them. The B2K's should really start to take off in the upcoming years. Just my opinion...
 
I agree that these cars are destined to appreciate - they have certainly sat flat for a while w/ some, even showing signs of a climb in value(?)

The rarest C4's that show promise of collectability (long term) are as follows:

Corvette Challenge cars
Callaway Corvettes
Grand Sports
Malcom Konner Special Edition
*SOME* Pace Cars

I would also say a car like an 89 6 spd, unique for many reasons (first year, 6-spd, last yr of flat dash) will appreciate more than other (general) C4 coupes - call it a hunch, but the numbers are right ;)

I am a strong believer in the following criteria when looking at a C4 for collectability - Options, Condition, Mileage, and then the year will come in to play as well (but not the determining factor in general, for C4's anymore at this point)

*my opinions, yours may vary ;)

Enjoy! :m :v
 

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