stearnman
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The thing I don't understand about the environmentalists is this...yes, it will "tear up" some of the land to put the drilling equipment into place, but the land will "heal" itself once things are in place.Chris N said:
Getting a little crazy!!
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mqqn
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Hi folks -
Wow - I guess that since I filled up this morning at $2.79 gal, I am a speculator now....and my lumina is worth a lot more now.
best regards -
mqqn
Wow - I guess that since I filled up this morning at $2.79 gal, I am a speculator now....and my lumina is worth a lot more now.
best regards -
mqqn
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I filled up Saturday for 2.66 just because I was empty. Stroke of luck I guess. That will last about 2 weeks in the Cavalier since it is just my work car.
The high prices for gas in Europe has always been mostly taxes. The cost increases here are mostly profit. Some of it due to crude prices but the last I heard yesterday crude went down 26 cents globaly.
The shortage of gasoline from Katrina is speculated. The shortage of hydrogen is real. The Sarnia Canada plant is down due to a scheduled shutdown of the natural gas supplier. This could be absorbed by the other plants in North America but now the New Orleans plant is down. We may be only able to supply a fraction of the product needed to the steel industry. No hydrogen=no steel. You can figure out the trickle down from there. This is going to get worse before it gets better. All we can do is hope that things get back on line faster than the predictions.
There are only a few hydrogen plants in all of North America. With all the talk of hydrogen cars I have always wondered just where they are planning to get the product. We obviously need more capacity.
As for oil refinerys it's true that no new sites have been constructed for decades. After all, nobody wants one in their back yard and many older ones have closed due to age or local pressure. I know of a couple in the midwest that could be started up again but it would take a lot to get them running. Maybe local pressure will subside once gas prices get really rediculous.
It's like the ethanol plants that are being built. Locals fight it touth and nail. They can only see that there may be a few more trucks on their streets and there may be some odor in the air sometimes but they can't see it as a source of cheap fuel and good paying jobs. I get frustrated seeing all of those millions of acres of good farm land laying in govermant set aside programs when it could be growing corn for motor fuel. Every manufacturer builds flexible fuel cars and trucks now. Even at the GM dealer where my wife works there was a Pontiac Vibe and a couple trucks on the lot. Odd since the nearest E85 station in Indiana is clear down in Evensville.
There needs to be an E85 pump at most every gas station. A note to your congressman might help things along. They don't pay much attention to things that voters aren't talking to them about.
Tom
The high prices for gas in Europe has always been mostly taxes. The cost increases here are mostly profit. Some of it due to crude prices but the last I heard yesterday crude went down 26 cents globaly.
The shortage of gasoline from Katrina is speculated. The shortage of hydrogen is real. The Sarnia Canada plant is down due to a scheduled shutdown of the natural gas supplier. This could be absorbed by the other plants in North America but now the New Orleans plant is down. We may be only able to supply a fraction of the product needed to the steel industry. No hydrogen=no steel. You can figure out the trickle down from there. This is going to get worse before it gets better. All we can do is hope that things get back on line faster than the predictions.
There are only a few hydrogen plants in all of North America. With all the talk of hydrogen cars I have always wondered just where they are planning to get the product. We obviously need more capacity.
As for oil refinerys it's true that no new sites have been constructed for decades. After all, nobody wants one in their back yard and many older ones have closed due to age or local pressure. I know of a couple in the midwest that could be started up again but it would take a lot to get them running. Maybe local pressure will subside once gas prices get really rediculous.
It's like the ethanol plants that are being built. Locals fight it touth and nail. They can only see that there may be a few more trucks on their streets and there may be some odor in the air sometimes but they can't see it as a source of cheap fuel and good paying jobs. I get frustrated seeing all of those millions of acres of good farm land laying in govermant set aside programs when it could be growing corn for motor fuel. Every manufacturer builds flexible fuel cars and trucks now. Even at the GM dealer where my wife works there was a Pontiac Vibe and a couple trucks on the lot. Odd since the nearest E85 station in Indiana is clear down in Evensville.
There needs to be an E85 pump at most every gas station. A note to your congressman might help things along. They don't pay much attention to things that voters aren't talking to them about.
Tom
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6 Shooter said:
This list brings up the point too that some of these countries do pay a lot more per gallon but a tank full can last 1-2 weeks! A tank of gas will take someone in Europe across 2 countries or more. We get visitors from Scotland or Holland and they don't realize how big the US or Canada is to drive across. A car here is an evil necessity and we can't rely all on buses or trains for commuting. Look how many commute 20 miles plus each way, we don't even think about it.
Ie we drove to Carlisle and BG, 10-12 hours trips, most of them wouldn't even consider "long" trips like that. For most of us a 2 or 3 hour drive is average but for them it is extensive. It is funny when visiting here they innocently look you in the eyes and ask if you can drive them to visit relatives in Vancouver or Texas or Florida like it's a 2 hour drive and watch their faces drop when you say that's a 2, 3 or 4 day drive! Or it takes as long or longer to fly there as it did for you to fly here. Driving for us here is a way of life, we don't have a lot of options. All depends on ones' perspective and how relevant it is to where you live and cost of living etc I guess but sure still bites a chunk out of the wallet though! Hope I'm not going too far off topic (If so can moderator please delete my post, thanks)
Where was that first picture taken Dom?
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Z28Canuck said:6 Shooter said:
This list brings up the point too that some of these countries do pay a lot more per gallon but a tank full can last 1-2 weeks! A tank of gas will take someone in Europe across 2 countries or more. We get visitors from Scotland or Holland and they don't realize how big the US or Canada is to drive across. A car here is an evil necessity and we can't rely all on buses or trains for commuting. Look how many commute 20 miles plus each way, we don't even think about it.
Ie we drove to Carlisle and BG, 10-12 hours trips, most of them wouldn't even consider "long" trips like that. For most of us a 2 or 3 hour drive is average but for them it is extensive. It is funny when visiting here they innocently look you in the eyes and ask if you can drive them to visit relatives in Vancouver or Texas or Florida like it's a 2 hour drive and watch their faces drop when you say that's a 2, 3 or 4 day drive! Or it takes as long or longer to fly there as it did for you to fly here. Driving for us here is a way of life, we don't have a lot of options. All depends on ones' perspective and how relevant it is to where you live and cost of living etc I guess but sure still bites a chunk out of the wallet though! Hope I'm not going too far off topic (If so can moderator please delete my post, thanks)
Yes, things are VASTLY (pun intended) different here. Luckily I live 3 blocks from work and can walk/bicycle. This will hurt the daily long-haul commuters for sure but eventually will kill the airlines, transportation companies, concepts like disposable income etc as the cost of moving goods to market reflects the energy costs.
My 20 cents off/litre GM gas card I got with the new Silverado just brings me down to what the "normal" price was a week ago now...
Glad the boat's full as this weekend will be the last trip for the season. Bird hunting is just aboot here...
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Gas is 2.65 or so in Baton Rouge. I would GLADLY pay $5 a gallon if these hoodlum refugees from New Orleans weren't around. In my area, there's suddenly an explosion of burglaries, armed robberies, and gas station beggars that will pound on your car, if you ignore them. Sounds fun, huh? There is a new refugee camp going up across the main road of my subdivision. There's not much else nearby. Quick question people...what do you think that someone will do, when they are bored and have nothing and nothing to lose? Oh yes...I forgot...and there's a nice peaceful neighborhood in walking distance of your camp. I am very afraid for me, my neighbors, and my city.
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Patrick said:Guys, just a friendly advisory here: if this thread goes political, it's getting shipped off to the edge.
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Premium or Regular?
I've been told that our vettes should burn premium. Is that a hard and fast rule? In light of todays ridiculous gas prices with no end in sight, would it hurt to use regular gas? At least for now?
I've been told that our vettes should burn premium. Is that a hard and fast rule? In light of todays ridiculous gas prices with no end in sight, would it hurt to use regular gas? At least for now?
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In my option you should use premium (91 min), and name brand like Chevron.
My understanding is that the onboard computers monitor the octane and adjust the timing to compensate for lower octane. Also you will get better MPG with a higher octane so the true cost is not the cost differance at the pump.
To me, the $1.50 differance on a fill up doesn't justify the posibilty of problems down the line. Just my .02.......
My understanding is that the onboard computers monitor the octane and adjust the timing to compensate for lower octane. Also you will get better MPG with a higher octane so the true cost is not the cost differance at the pump.
To me, the $1.50 differance on a fill up doesn't justify the posibilty of problems down the line. Just my .02.......
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Vettenlady,
Cruiser82 is correct- using a lower octane fuel to save a couple of dollars when you fill up is not a good idea.
I did a forum search on "Octane" and there are numerous threads on this subject. Here's a couple, just from the C5 Forums:
Link 1
Link 2
And an article by our own Hib Halverson on the subject of OCTANE ratings and what they mean.
I know the cost of filling up with gas is getting painful. I guess we just need to be a bit more abstemious about our driving habits and gas usage for the time being.
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Cruiser82 is correct- using a lower octane fuel to save a couple of dollars when you fill up is not a good idea.
I did a forum search on "Octane" and there are numerous threads on this subject. Here's a couple, just from the C5 Forums:
Link 1
Link 2
And an article by our own Hib Halverson on the subject of OCTANE ratings and what they mean.
I know the cost of filling up with gas is getting painful. I guess we just need to be a bit more abstemious about our driving habits and gas usage for the time being.
-Patrick
I hope the prices go back down. But they probably won't until the holiday weekend is over. Fortunately for me, I do get paid for every while that I drive while I'm working so that's actually been more than enough to fill my vehicle up.
But it's like we've been de-sensitized about gas prices. $2.00 used to be a ridiculous amount. Now, we're happy about paying $2.50 for a gallon. I think the days of even seeing $2.50 a gallon are behind us for good.
But it's like we've been de-sensitized about gas prices. $2.00 used to be a ridiculous amount. Now, we're happy about paying $2.50 for a gallon. I think the days of even seeing $2.50 a gallon are behind us for good.
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I believed that the main cause was supply and demand,i'm not so sure now. Irvin oil a Canadian supplier to the north east is located less than 100 miles from Maine.The Irvin stations are the same or higher in this area.Irvin has their own oil wells and refinerys.Kuwait is giving 500 million in oil products to the U.S.A other countries have released major amounts of oil in one form or another.But yet the price in our area is about $3.40 per gallon .I am noticing less cars on the interstate and highways.I'm not that smart ,but less driving and more available oil shouldn't mean higher prices.Someones getting VERY rich of you and i.On a happy note I've seen a lot more c-5 's on the road ,either it's getting toward the season end or they like getting 25-30 mpg
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If they aren't, they will be. Any time the gas prices stoot up the next quarter reports record profits. Imagine that.
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RAPE-RAPE_RAPE or at least thats what my vett screamed when i inserted the nozzle
I anticipated the lower prices in N.J. as I headed to e town saturday a.m. so after work Friday, I only put 8 gallons at $3.55 in my car and filled up Saturday morning on the G.S.P. rest stop for $3.33
This car is not bad on gas at all! Of course, I am driving it slowly and simply enjoying it!! CM/AH/TC hasn't been switched off yet.
This car is not bad on gas at all! Of course, I am driving it slowly and simply enjoying it!! CM/AH/TC hasn't been switched off yet.
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Here we go again with roller coaster gas prices! In Toronto this morning the gas was $1.03 per litre and it was on the radio surrounding cities were reporting $1.59 to $1.89 per litre. Now on the radio they say it could hit $2.00 a litre by tonight! How can anyone justify doubling gas prices in one day and cripple a complete economy? A tank of gas in my Sunfire is about $100 at this rate! This weekend I had better buy locking gas caps for all of my cars.
This will seem like a minor problem compared to all those devastated by these hurricanes in Louisianna and now Texas. Our prayers go out to all of you and for your safety.
This will seem like a minor problem compared to all those devastated by these hurricanes in Louisianna and now Texas. Our prayers go out to all of you and for your safety.
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You got it! The price near here just hit $2.70/litre. This will kill the economy, the ramifications are enormous. The possibility of complete outages are hovering on a bleak horizon. Speculators/traders are cleaning up but killing us. The government HAS to back it off and cap it, use one of those billion dollar surpluses to cover it...
The possibility that Alberta will HAVE to redirect it's US exports to keep Canadians from freezing to death means a US invasion of Alberta is a possible outcome. After all, will the US allow its economy to collapse with a huge oil reserve just over the border?
Things are going to get nightmare if a huge chunk of US REFINING capacity is destroyed...
The possibility that Alberta will HAVE to redirect it's US exports to keep Canadians from freezing to death means a US invasion of Alberta is a possible outcome. After all, will the US allow its economy to collapse with a huge oil reserve just over the border?
Things are going to get nightmare if a huge chunk of US REFINING capacity is destroyed...
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And ask yourself where does Canadian gas come from ?
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