Welcome to the Corvette Forums at the Corvette Action Center!

good news, bad news, worse news...

Joined
Oct 30, 2001
Messages
2,273
Location
Glen Burnie, MD, USA
Corvette
1986 Bright Red Coupe
I finally gave up on tracking down my remaining vacuum leaks myself and took the Vette to the mechanic. Good news: he easily located them using some sort of smoke machine. Bad news: it's the intake at the heads (#6 and 8 cyl ports, mostly). Worse news: Even though I did a pretty decent job of installing the gaskets, if they weren't 100.0000% on-the-money, they'd leak. Apparently the ports on this set of heads are slightly higher out from the valley than on the stock heads. Not much, maybe 1/8" or so, but that's enough such that the 1205 gasket won't seat properly (esp. with the blue ring - I think that is what actually was causing the leak). The hole in the head is the exact size for the 1205 gasket, but isn't lined up with the gasket when the screw holes are properly aligned. It's about 1/8" high.

The mechanic says that even if he were to get the gaskets spot-on, the first backfire to come along would blow them out.

I called the guy who did the head work and assembly; he berated me again for buying this brand of head (Pro Topline, NOT what he recommended, but the performance parts place talked me into them) and offered some suggestions including:

Going to a double-thickness larger (1206-style) gasket without the rings, which he said would also move the intake up the valley just far enough to avoid leaks. I'm leery of this because I'm told the SR manifold needs metal added around a couple ports to use a 1206 gasket. Maybe since I don't intend to gasket-match to the 1206 it'd be OK (I'm leaving well enough alone now).

Second suggestion was to use an epoxy mixture to fill a small amount of material inside the intake ports on the heads. This also makes me nervous because if some of it came off and dropped into the cylinder I'd have some problems.

Third suggestion was to buy new heads, but at about a grand to get them and get the valve stuff off the old and onto the new, I can't afford that now.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Anyone have a spare LS-7 motor lying around that they want to give away? :)

Thanks.
[RICHR]
 
6 Shooter said:
There were 3 setting beside the engine line @ the Corvette plant this morning! :upthumbs

Can I send you a FedEx Call Tag? :) I forget - do you work at the plant, or just live nearby?
[RICHR]
 
rrubel said:
Can I send you a FedEx Call Tag? :) I forget - do you work at the plant, or just live nearby?
[RICHR]

He just owns it.:D
 
6 Shooter said:
There were 3 setting beside the engine line @ the Corvette plant this morning! :upthumbs

Yeah, if I send you one too, can you send me a C6 or something :L .
 
I've already beat you to that gremlin Rich. Remember, I had to fix an intake manifold vacuum leak myself not too awful long ago. :hb
 
What about surfacing the block and / or the heads? Would that cause the ports to be a little closer to the valley and line up? I'm not a mechanic nor a machinist.:) just a thought
 
I might suggest that you consider having the intake machined to match the angle of the heads (provided you have enough material to work with). We had this problem on a set of Dart heads when the block was decked and the heads were new. The block decking evidently (and a thinner head gskt) changed the alignment of the intake ports to the heads. It takes a good machinist to figure this out but after we had tried all the fixes--thicker gaskets, different gaskets, silicone, etc-- we gave up and had the manifold machined to match the heads. You can usually tell if the angles are wrong as the manifold bolts dont seem to line up correctly when installing the intake to the heads. Just a thought.

Randy
 
It's a good thought, but everything lines up angle-wise. The ports on the heads are just too high... but everything's flat against each other.
[RICHR]
 
What does the head manufacturer say? Maybe there is a casting/machining error in either the heads or the damn SR intake. Nahhhhhh. Not the SR!
 
Is the alignment better if you flip the gaskets around?

The intake bolted on okay (indicating the bolts lined up okay)?
 
Flip them around how?

The intake bolted up fine; all the holes lined up and there were no unexpected gaps anywhere (except for this gasket/head port issue).
[RICHR]
 
In looking at your pictures, the heads are poted incorrectly and will never work. You can have the ports welded up and then remachined, but that's a waste of money. I would go after whoever sold you/did your heads for restitution. The pictures tell the story!
 
rrubel said:
Flip them around how?
Swap left and right or just turn it over. I am not saying everything is right, as I am not that much of an expert. I just know that I have assumed the worst, then found a ridiculously simple solution.

I can show, if you wanna see the floor burn hole from putting the front Y-pipe on backwards. I just LOOKED symmetrical. Seems that frustration and fatigue alters my otherwise-good work.
 
I talked again tonight with the guy who did the work, after emailing him the pictures. He says all he did with his porting was to square up the top and bottom; that the runners were cast like that. Apparently the runners are within tolerance when you measure between them and between the mounting holes, but they're right at the edge. He says that he also now has a pallet full of heads like this that an engine builder sold him - he suspects they're the same manufacturer (the heads aren't stamped with a name, just a part number). His solution with these heads is a custom gasket, but also the intakes he's working with are cut differently than the SR base I'm using (he described the intakes; I can tell by what he's saying that they have more metal around the bolt holes). So in a different application they'd work - maybe not perfectly, but they wouldn't leak. He offered to weld-fill them and grind them to better match my setup, at no charge to me. I'm going to take him up on that; it'll only cost me shipping and the price of pulling/installing the heads. If, when he has them in his hands, he finds that he can't do that, then we'll work on a different solution.

He also commented that he'd have had to grind all day to get that much metal off them... He thinks they were originally cast as raised-runner but were being sold as standard.

Everybody cross their fingers...

[RICHR]
 
Mine are, so are my toes. I know you you feel. One of the bolts on the intake manifold on mine is leaking. After three rebuilds you think it would stop no? Sorry to hear that man, I hope you get it handled.
 

Corvette Forums

Not a member of the Corvette Action Center?  Join now!  It's free!

Help support the Corvette Action Center!

Supporting Vendors

Dealers:

MacMulkin Chevrolet - The Second Largest Corvette Dealer in the Country!

Advertise with the Corvette Action Center!

Double Your Chances!

Our Partners

Back
Top Bottom