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Well, I finally decided once and for all. No Z06 for me.

Originally, I was in the market for a C6. Then, I heard about the Z06, and it's price, and I seriously considered it.

Then I got a taste of the on line auction scam ads placed by GM authorized dealers to artifically prop up the gouge prices. When I checked the auction site a few times, I saw that individuals were actually NOT placing the ads 95-99% of the time. It was the dealers (or sometimes their obvious shills).

I heard of all the GM dealer orderlists with their uncertain terms and scuzzy practices, i.e. going around folks on that list to get a premium on available cars, while the list members just wait.

In the meantime, I found a great deal on the exact C6 I had in mind, right in town, so I bought; still thinking that once the craze was over, I would still probably move to a Z06.

I considered myself fortunate to have waited long enough to have gotten a 2006, with it's stronger differential, no DBS, tweaked interior (steering wheel, knobs, airbag display, seat labels), and whatever other little fixes might have been quietly rolled in, plus one year less depreciation.

Having driven the car for a couple of months and several thousand miles, I flat LOVE IT.

The local dealer had one of their stooges constantly emailing me as part of a Z06 mail-list, extolling the rarity of the Z, how the private scalpers on Ebay were driving prices up (a flat-out provable LIE), how the dealer just wanted to be my friend and would love to give me the car if only they were allowed to (cue image of Billy Flynn 'Chigago' production number).

Let me just stipulate that Z06 is an awesome car, and when compared to other cars in it's strata, worth every penny of the MSRP, and maybe even the max 20K dealer greed factor.

But, for me, personally, I finally realized:

* Less fuel mileage FOREVER
* Noisier FOREVER
* Brakes expensive for routine maintenance (crazy set up, higher wear, pricey parts) FOREVER
* Anything that goes wrong, from special tires [wear], to special oil system, to special engine, to special fenders [accident repair], exhaust, shocks, etc. is going to be more expensive to repair, and harder to find parts for than my C6. FOREVER
* Up to $40-50K more outlay than my $42K, brand new, 400HP Corvette.
* More worry about wannabe squirrels screwing with me on the street and/or while car is parked.
* Disagree on principle with fattening wallets of dealers with sleazy methods
* Insurance - rates WILL go up, based on all the smashed up Z's I see already
* My own abilities - I have as much car under me right now as I have ever had, and am not afraid to admit that it may be plenty!
* No worry about first year issues with my current car (valve train, crank pulley, DBS, fuel sending unit, half shafts, blown diffs, clutch sticking to floor at high RPM, etc), but the Z is still 'year one'

I had even considered looking at one of the used ones (lots popping up now with 300 - 1,500 miles on them), but then I imagined how many 1/4 mile passes and smoky burn-outs can be crammed into 300 miles on the odometer, and then I see the premium these guys are still trying to get for these used cars... most of these seem to have bought the car to 'taste' it, show it off a bit, and then turn around for a profit. Nearly every one ofthem claims to have a temporary emergency, but is swearing to buy another Z06 once cleared up.... hmmm.... yeah.

Well, anyway, I have really turned this into a downer, and that was not my point, over such a marvelous machine -- I just wanted to ask if anyone else who had been truly in the market, such as myself, has been disuaded long enough to have changed your mind?
 
Very well thought out and I definitely see where you're coming from. If I had the money, I would've considered those things as well. They're extremely valid concerns that you had, especially the showing off the car. I'll bet those low miles were very hard miles. But personally, I would even take it further by not even buying any future vehicles from a stealership that wants to gouge people.
 
crate motor ram-jet 350 is $5ooo...crate 502 ram-jet is$9000....utilizing my limited math skills--thats $4000....so why is a 427 priced 20k-40k extra.....P.T. Batnum said it: theres a sucker born every minute...I laugh at those guys
 
I agree with you 100% SELF 1. Plus on what strip of road in south Florida can you open up a zo6 ? I passed over the zo6 in 2003 and will do it again in 2006,for all the reasons you mentioned plus a few more.
 
vett boy said:
I agree with you 100% SELF 1. Plus on what strip of road in south Florida can you open up a zo6 ? I passed over the zo6 in 2003 and will do it again in 2006,for all the reasons you mentioned plus a few more.

Wow, I'm relieved and glad to see that at least I did not get blown out of the water or flamed for sharing my own personal decision making process.

The Z-06 is one awesome ride, and I don't begrudge anyone their personal choice to go for it!

I feel you are absolutely correct to ask the question 'where in the world can you open it up...?', and I would add 'or explore the other performance boundaries'. I had my Boxster for seven years, and took it to 147 MPH only once in it's 150K miles, when conditions appeared just right to do so safely. Likewise, I have only had the new Corvette to 140 one time, (although it does get to that pace muy pronto, in a very assured manner!), and that will likely more than suffice for it's own probable destination of accumulating maybe 100,000+ miles.

If I ever decide to take 'driver's ed' with my C6, and maybe the Z06 percieved rarity (plus mark-up) wears off in a year or two, maybe I will want to revisit my choice then; but for now, I am in the perfect spot with my awesome new wheels!

My recent C6 vacation wanderings took me from the local sunny beach...

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to cooler fall weather...

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to some odd-looking material on ground... I've heard it called 'ice':

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Ack! It even grows on the windows of my new toy:
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I had the bug to get a new Z06. Then I realized that it would mean giving up my convertible and surrendering another $40k. So I decided to something more cost effective. I'm sending mine to Lingenfelter Performance Engineering the week of March 20th. I chose the 430 HP package which should give me a pretty fast 2001 convertible that can run with some of the big boys. The best part is - I avoid making car payments.

Remo:cool
 
Remo said:
I had the bug to get a new Z06. Then I realized that it would mean giving up my convertible and surrendering another $40k. So I decided to something more cost effective. I'm sending mine to Lingenfelter Performance Engineering the week of March 20th. I chose the 430 HP package which should give me a pretty fast 2001 convertible that can run with some of the big boys. The best part is - I avoid making car payments.

Remo:cool
Sweet looking ride! (Of course, I'm biased towards silver!)

And you are correct, I forgot one major attribute that I used a lot in my C4, and probably will use a lot in my C6 - going 'topless' -- even in the coupe!

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One thing people don't realize is that silver is the fastest color in production.Love the early a.m ride to Key West as the sun comes up.Key West is one strange place at night ,my vett gets nervious after the sun goes down .South Florida is the place to be. Enjoy !!
 
Congratulations on getting the correct car for your needs! Thats what counts and your right...the c6 Z06 is probably overkill for 99% of the owners....

Still can't say the C6 Z06 isn't one of the best cars out there and if I were spending 70 grand...that would be it..

The price you paid for yours though ? I'd have to say you made the right choice...

How could it be any other way...

The price differential is too huge..

BTW...I stopped by a local Chevy dealership this past weekend to view the new C6 Z06 in person and its nice..

Not take 50 grand out of the bank nice and then trade in my existing Corvette z06 but nice all the same...

I'll admire its achievements while I USE my 01 Z as it is..

Your logic was impecable..(sp)

Congrats and enjoy!
 
Congrats on the new ride. I'm sure it was the right decision for you.

For me, it was 2 reasons:
Didn't want to give up my roadster
Didn't want to downgrade in hp/torque ;)

........but, like you, I haven't ruled out adding one to my stable in the future.

Brett
 
self1 said:
Well, I finally decided once and for all. No Z06 for me.
Can't say the same for me. But I am planning on waiting til the mad rush is over and we start seeing more realistic pricing on new (and used) Z's. But, based on your thought process, you made the right call for you. :w
 
self1 said:
Well, I finally decided once and for all. No Z06 for me.

Originally, I was in the market for a C6. Then, I heard about the Z06, and it's price, and I seriously considered it.

Then I got a taste of the on line auction scam ads placed by GM authorized dealers to artifically prop up the gouge prices. When I checked the auction site a few times, I saw that individuals were actually NOT placing the ads 95-99% of the time. It was the dealers (or sometimes their obvious shills).

I heard of all the GM dealer orderlists with their uncertain terms and scuzzy practices, i.e. going around folks on that list to get a premium on available cars, while the list members just wait.

In the meantime, I found a great deal on the exact C6 I had in mind, right in town, so I bought; still thinking that once the craze was over, I would still probably move to a Z06.

I considered myself fortunate to have waited long enough to have gotten a 2006, with it's stronger differential, no DBS, tweaked interior (steering wheel, knobs, airbag display, seat labels), and whatever other little fixes might have been quietly rolled in, plus one year less depreciation.

Having driven the car for a couple of months and several thousand miles, I flat LOVE IT.

The local dealer had one of their stooges constantly emailing me as part of a Z06 mail-list, extolling the rarity of the Z, how the private scalpers on Ebay were driving prices up (a flat-out provable LIE), how the dealer just wanted to be my friend and would love to give me the car if only they were allowed to (cue image of Billy Flynn 'Chigago' production number).

Let me just stipulate that Z06 is an awesome car, and when compared to other cars in it's strata, worth every penny of the MSRP, and maybe even the max 20K dealer greed factor.

But, for me, personally, I finally realized:

* Less fuel mileage FOREVER
* Noisier FOREVER
* Brakes expensive for routine maintenance (crazy set up, higher wear, pricey parts) FOREVER
* Anything that goes wrong, from special tires [wear], to special oil system, to special engine, to special fenders [accident repair], exhaust, shocks, etc. is going to be more expensive to repair, and harder to find parts for than my C6. FOREVER
* Up to $40-50K more outlay than my $42K, brand new, 400HP Corvette.
* More worry about wannabe squirrels screwing with me on the street and/or while car is parked.
* Disagree on principle with fattening wallets of dealers with sleazy methods
* Insurance - rates WILL go up, based on all the smashed up Z's I see already
* My own abilities - I have as much car under me right now as I have ever had, and am not afraid to admit that it may be plenty!
* No worry about first year issues with my current car (valve train, crank pulley, DBS, fuel sending unit, half shafts, blown diffs, clutch sticking to floor at high RPM, etc), but the Z is still 'year one'

I had even considered looking at one of the used ones (lots popping up now with 300 - 1,500 miles on them), but then I imagined how many 1/4 mile passes and smoky burn-outs can be crammed into 300 miles on the odometer, and then I see the premium these guys are still trying to get for these used cars... most of these seem to have bought the car to 'taste' it, show it off a bit, and then turn around for a profit. Nearly every one ofthem claims to have a temporary emergency, but is swearing to buy another Z06 once cleared up.... hmmm.... yeah.

Well, anyway, I have really turned this into a downer, and that was not my point, over such a marvelous machine -- I just wanted to ask if anyone else who had been truly in the market, such as myself, has been disuaded long enough to have changed your mind?
No way I would change my mind--NO WAY EVER. I got lucky with HARRY BOYER at Kerbeck Corvette, and took delivery of my new Z06 this week, so it wasn't a tough choice, but even if it meant waiting a year and buying a used one I wouldn't settle for a C6 coupe.

The gas mileage difference is minimal--if you are worried about 2 MPG, get some 4 cylinder thing. The noise is minimal--I think I would prefer a louder exhaust than my Z06 has. My insurance is very reasonable. I never have had to replace brakes on my 2002 Z06. Also never had an accident in it--no fenders to replace, etc, etc, etc. I do agree with you about the gougers, but there are good dealers who don't gouge--I paid MSRP, just exactly as Harry promised, and I got to order the car just exactly as I wanted.

I think that your reasons sound like you are trying to convince yourself you did the right thing. Maybe you did... I don't think so.
Gersh
 
JBsC5 said:
Not take 50 grand out of the bank nice and then trade in my existing Corvette z06 but nice all the same...

I'll admire its achievements while I USE my 01 Z as it is..

Very well put, JB. My sentiments, too.

And my thanks to you for helping me when I was contemplating purchasing our '04.

:beer
 
Valid comments from both points

Also there is the old adage about, "too each their own!"

Now I wonder if maybe a good mouth piece could go after a particular auction site for allowing price fixing. I am not after the auction site, but they have the resources to stop dealers in their, maybe illegal form of price fixing. If it as easy to link back to the dealers from the site, then it should fit the criteria.

Anyway, enjoy the ride!
 
speedmaster4 said:
crate motor ram-jet 350 is $5ooo...crate 502 ram-jet is$9000....utilizing my limited math skills--thats $4000....so why is a 427 priced 20k-40k extra.....P.T. Batnum said it: theres a sucker born every minute...I laugh at those guys

Spedmaster--
Yeah, I admit it, I am a sucker for the Corvette (especially the Z06). But I disagree with your math. My Z06 was $20,00 more than my wife's coupe, yes, but it wasn't just for a motor. The Z06 frame and body are lighter and, more importantly, stiffer, to handle the torque. I saw numerous differences in components during the factory tour--bigger brakes, exhausts, etc, etc.

If you stick a crate motor into a car that wasn't designed for it the performance will be limited. One thing that makes the Corvette special is the engineering--24 hour endurance races will test components, and Corvette has the sales volume to support the kind of engineering department that Italian manufacturers don't have. Your backyard engineering efforts may be fun, but the end results will be more equivalent to a car from the 1960's--not the high-tech, matched component, sophisticated, computer-assisted engineering of a factory car. Like if you put a supercharger onto a factory car, it will stress the entire drive train (and body) in a way it wasn't designed to handle. It may do OK for a while, but long-term, it will become high risk for problems. [I put a Vortech supercharger on a family car--Crown Vic--a few years ago, and it ran pretty strong, for a boat. After I sold it, I heard the new owner blew up the engine--ouch].

Just to restate: Corvette has spent many millions of dollars engineering this car, and you can't duplicate it just by dropping a crate motor into a different car...

Gersh
 
again...I agree..the C6 Z06 is a totally balanced 505 hp 3100 lb sports car...

It comes with a 3 year 36 thousand mile warranty....and GMPP is available too....

Putting the power to the ground was a GM directive..

It not only accelerates amazingly....it handles beyond most "tuner" efforts on other cars and has brakes that are amazing...

The dry sump oiling system is just an easy derivative of this type of thinking..

Don't get me wrong...I'm digging my "modded" C5 Z06 for the future....as well as the present...but I do understand the benefits of owning GM's latest and greatest Corvette ...

Both great ways to go yet there is something to be said for right out of the box supercar performance bar none!
 
I really like the new Z06, I did sit in it at Cruise-fest,but declined to take a ride in it knowing that I would like it too much. I still think about which to buy in the future and to be realistic for the driving I do I will most likely buy a Z51 with the new paddle shift (my Knees arent what they used to be) and leave the Z06 for the racers and autocrossers.
Now if GM made an option with the bigger tires and flared fenders I'd spring for that Z03;)
 
Some well thought out comments and insights into peoples choices! Not sure for future but for now I am content to wait awhile. :w
 
The big wait.

Well I'm still waiting but the wait is not so bad because I just bought a Z51 in the same color blue as the Z06 I ordered. However I am falling in love with this C6 coupe. I really like the removable tops, I got both, clear and painted. I'm not thrilled with the exhaust sound but thats easily fixed and I like the On Star option (not available in the Z06) I even like the navagation system. The temptation is bad enough with this car let alone the Z06 and I can save about 20 g's. So the question is does anyone really nead a car like the Z06, No! But do you want a car like the Z06? You bet your ass you do!:cool
 

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