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Is 1st Gear supposed to be noisy?

greg9ball

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I want to bring my Vette in for a check up. I have owned it for a couple thousand miles, but I feel its best to have an expert check everything out to make sure its in mint condition. My only complaint is that 1st gear is very noisy, especially in the lower RPMs. Is that typical? Also, the manual transmission makes a little bit of a clunking noise when engaging at times.

Finally, do you recommend going to the dealer for maintanance? Does anyone recommend anyone in Central Jersey? I am in Jackson, NJ.

Thanks for everyone's help.
 
greg9ball said:
I want to bring my Vette in for a check up. I have owned it for a couple thousand miles, but I feel its best to have an expert check everything out to make sure its in mint condition. My only complaint is that 1st gear is very noisy, especially in the lower RPMs. Is that typical? Also, the manual transmission makes a little bit of a clunking noise when engaging at times.

Finally, do you recommend going to the dealer for maintanance? Does anyone recommend anyone in Central Jersey? I am in Jackson, NJ.

Thanks for everyone's help.

I got the same problemo like a grinding noise starting in first and moving forward. It quits after about 5mph. Took it in and they told me there is nothing wrong.
 
Yes. That is exactly what I am talking about!!

The other noise is letting out the clutch too quickly in say fourth or fifth gear. It makes a loud clunk sound. Have you heard that?

avacorvette said:
I got the same problemo like a grinding noise starting in first and moving forward. It quits after about 5mph. Took it in and they told me there is nothing wrong.
 
greg9ball said:
Yes. That is exactly what I am talking about!!

The other noise is letting out the clutch too quickly in say fourth or fifth gear. It makes a loud clunk sound. Have you heard that?
No just in first gear.
 
One mech told me about the torque shaft and if that goes $$$$
 
torque shaft goes from clutch to trans. Mech. told me it will get rusty and may degrade. If need to be replaced mucho $$$$.
 
greg9ball said:
I want to bring my Vette in for a check up. I have owned it for a couple thousand miles, but I feel its best to have an expert check everything out to make sure its in mint condition. My only complaint is that 1st gear is very noisy, especially in the lower RPMs. Is that typical? Also, the manual transmission makes a little bit of a clunking noise when engaging at times.

Finally, do you recommend going to the dealer for maintanance? Does anyone recommend anyone in Central Jersey? I am in Jackson, NJ.

Thanks for everyone's help.
Without actually hearing what you are describing, I would say that the noise you are hearing is the normal rattle that accompanies a normal take-off from a standstill. The transmission on the C5 is in the rear, the driveshaft comes directly from the clutch and goes back to the transmission, V.S. a conventional clutch/transmission setup where the transmission pilot shaft is splined directly to the clutch disc. Therefore, in the Corvette as the clutch is engaged to get the car rolling, the driveshaft recieves the engine impulses and clutch disk vibrations directly, instead of being fed through the transmission gear train. This vibration so to speak, is amplified by the drivetrain as an audible rattle, and probably further amplified through the torque tube like a hollow drum, which in essence is all the torque tube really is.
The clunking that you refer to also sounds like the normal engagement clunk, the shift rod goes from just below the shifter all the way back to the transmission, that's just about even with the back of the seats, long in terms of shifter linkage.
Also, something you can do that really brings home the spinning mass of the rear transmission driveshaft design; with your engine at an idle, let the clutch out with the transmission in neutral, hear the rattle sound, now depress the clutch, and quickly place the gear shift in 1st, keeping the clutch depressed, feel the car move forward slightly. That's the energy of the spinning mass of the driveshaft moving the car as you engage 1st gear. It probably works in any gear, but I used first for this example. Now imagine how much rotating energy is present when the RPM is up higher than an idle, say 6500 RPM. Gives one much more appreciation for the effort those blocker rings and syncros are performing during gear changes doesn't it?
One last word about having a mechanic check your car for normal operation. Make certain the mech/tech is very familiar with the C5 design Corvette. Old trains of thought may cause concern for what should be considered normal drivetrain noise and normal system(s) operation.

One more item that was just brought up, the torque tube. The torque tube is actually a structual component, it is bolted to the rear of the bellhousing and the front of the transmission. It doesn't rotate, but actually "ties" the engine to the rear transmission, thus producing a very rigid structure. The rotating driveshaft is located inside the torque tube. Re. whoever said the torque tube would rust and eventually fail, THAT'S an example of what I was saying about making certain the your mechanic/tech knows what is talking about.
Sure it might rust and fail, maybe in about 150 years.


vettepilot
 
The noise that you are getting at low speeds in first gear (kind of a rattling sound) is perfectly normal for all six speed manual transmissions for C5's. It is even refered to by Dave Hill in the owners instructional video that was shipped with your car. A contributing reason is that the driveshaft is rotating at engine speed and not at the output shaft speed that you would normally get with a front mounted transmission.
 
Starting out from first gear will create this noise that resonates through the torque tube. This is normal and does not indicate that there is a problem with the torque tube.

The issue with the clutch engaging with a clunck I cannot offer any help with.

Searching the C5 forum for tranny noise should yield some interesting reading.

Leon

Nevermind my post. I see that others have provided inclusive answers. :) I hit the replay button 30 minutes before I hit the submit button (distractions) and didn't see the previous replies. ;)
 
Thank you very much for such an excellent response. You have all set my mind at ease.



vettepilot said:
Without actually hearing what you are describing, I would say that the noise you are hearing is the normal rattle that accompanies a normal take-off from a standstill. The transmission on the C5 is in the rear, the driveshaft comes directly from the clutch and goes back to the transmission, V.S. a conventional clutch/transmission setup where the transmission pilot shaft is splined directly to the clutch disc. Therefore, in the Corvette as the clutch is engaged to get the car rolling, the driveshaft recieves the engine impulses and clutch disk vibrations directly, instead of being fed through the transmission gear train. This vibration so to speak, is amplified by the drivetrain as an audible rattle, and probably further amplified through the torque tube like a hollow drum, which in essence is all the torque tube really is.
The clunking that you refer to also sounds like the normal engagement clunk, the shift rod goes from just below the shifter all the way back to the transmission, that's just about even with the back of the seats, long in terms of shifter linkage.
Also, something you can do that really brings home the spinning mass of the rear transmission driveshaft design; with your engine at an idle, let the clutch out with the transmission in neutral, hear the rattle sound, now depress the clutch, and quickly place the gear shift in 1st, keeping the clutch depressed, feel the car move forward slightly. That's the energy of the spinning mass of the driveshaft moving the car as you engage 1st gear. It probably works in any gear, but I used first for this example. Now imagine how much rotating energy is present when the RPM is up higher than an idle, say 6500 RPM. Gives one much more appreciation for the effort those blocker rings and syncros are performing during gear changes doesn't it?
One last word about having a mechanic check your car for normal operation. Make certain the mech/tech is very familiar with the C5 design Corvette. Old trains of thought may cause concern for what should be considered normal drivetrain noise and normal system(s) operation.

One more item that was just brought up, the torque tube. The torque tube is actually a structual component, it is bolted to the rear of the bellhousing and the front of the transmission. It doesn't rotate, but actually "ties" the engine to the rear transmission, thus producing a very rigid structure. The rotating driveshaft is located inside the torque tube. Re. whoever said the torque tube would rust and eventually fail, THAT'S an example of what I was saying about making certain the your mechanic/tech knows what is talking about.
Sure it might rust and fail, maybe in about 150 years.


vettepilot
 
Thanks all. got poor info from Mech. and vettepilot sounds very knowlegeable. thanks vettepilot
 
avacorvette said:
Thanks all. got poor info from Mech. and vettepilot sounds very knowlegeable. thanks vettepilot
You're quite welcome. There are others around the forum that are much more knowlegable than I. Hopefully they will see this thread and maybe fill in the blanks that I may have missed.

vettepilot
 

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