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Keep the level up - Your fuel pump will last longer!

I experienced this first hand tonight. I now know it is true. My car had just about 5.25 gallons left in her when I made a hard left and got on it only to have it stumble from fuel starving. My gas gauge is off a bit as it was 2 lines above 1/4 and I only had about a 1/4 tank left. Now I know I will fill at the half mark. Thanks Ken!!

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dburgjohn said:
How safe is it to have two electric wires running into the gas in the tank? With millions of them on the road, i know it works, but still...

Yeah...That was another great idea.....Can you say Na-Pom Bomb...???

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jet liners have electric fuel pumps and wires in their tanks too. Gives you second thoughts about flying .:eek
 
Ken said:
I changed the title of this thread to reflect something of a little more, shall we say, "technical" nature. ;)

Every now and then, someone will bring up the subject of just how low they can take the fuel level in their gasoline tank. Each time I try to inform people that when you take the level too low and expose the pump to ambient air temperature, the pump will suffer because it depends upon the gasoline to keep the pump cool. If you expose the pump too often, or for too long a period of time, the pump will overheat and thereby its lifespan will be somewhat shortened.

Now I see that Corvette Fever magazine has an article on "101 Corvette Tech Tips", and #82 on that list of tips is:

Yeeees, oh Obi-Wan 'KEN'-Obi!!!! :BOW
Took only one time and I learned this lesson!!!!!
 
I am continually amazed at the wealth of information I am gaining on the CAC

I just got my 89 Coupe and put it into the garage for the long cold winter......... boo hoo! The amount of info available here is amazing and a little scary.... like what have I gotten myself into!!!


Thanks
 
Another reason to "top off"

I saw this in an article in Corvette Fever by Chris Petris. A guy recently bought a low mileage '95 and took it on a trip out west and had engine failure.
What happened was that his injectors clogged.
Chris said that especially on low mileage older cars that are stored with the pump exposed, the metal parts can get a rust coating. New fuel will wash off the rust particles and they are small enough to get thru the fuel filter.
Not a problem I need.
 
ArtZR1991 said:
Good tip!

I replaced one of my pumps last year, and I uaually keep a low fuel level, because I don't drive as much as I would like, and the shelf life of the fuel is short.
Does fuel have shelf life??? So it would rot if it stood unused for a while??? If that is true, how long?;LOL
 
Yes, gasoline has a shelf life, much like any other product. ;)

Heat, moisture and time begin the oxidative process that takes over today's stored fuels, creating gum, resin and varnish.

Today's so-called "clean" fuels typically deteriorate at much faster rates than fuels made 20 years ago. While all fuels suffer from the problem, most at risk are the EPA mandated reformulated gasolines (RFG) that contain oxygenate additives, derivatives of methyl alcohol and ethyl alcohol. Gasoline can have shelf life as little as a month, particularly if it is subjected to heat and moisture.

Diesel fuels may last a little longer, but not much. Most diesel fuels, including the EPA's mandated low sulfur version, has shelf life of from 3-to-6 months. Again, this varies widely.
A shipment of diesel fuel was tracked from a refinery in Texas to its final destination in Florida. It was tested at the refinery the same day it was produced, and the fuel met the specification for stability.

After being stored, pumped into a coastal tanker, offloaded at Port Everglades, stored again, delivered to the fuel jobber, and finally to the customer, 23 days had passed. Again the fuel was tested and the so-called "fresh" fuel now tested out of spec.
In part, this has to do with new processing techniques developed by refiners in recent years. While the new refining methods are more efficient, producing more gasoline per barrel of crude, these fuels are often far less stable than the conventional "straight run" fuels we had before.

To make matters worse, the quality of the crude oil feedstock going into the refinery changes daily with each shipment. Processing equipment must be precisely adjusted to these varying qualities, but it doesn't always happen. :(

This results in poorly processed, less stable fuels. One oil company survey indicates that at least 50 percent of the gasoline sold today is substandard. :eek

Chevron, my employer for twenty years, has some information regarding long-term storage of gasoline:
Longer-Term Storage of Gasoline

Chevron gasoline can be stored for a year without deterioration when the storage conditions are good -- a tightly closed container and moderate temperatures.

Most gasoline is used within a week or two of purchase. But there are occasions when gasoline is kept longer. Examples are gasoline stored to fuel small-engine equipment or to provide a backup supply for a vehicle. Also gasoline left in the tank of a boat stored for the winter or a snowmobile stored for the summer.

Chevron recommends that gasoline not be stored unnecessarily. A supply that won't be needed for several months should be used and replenished when the need reoccurs. Gasoline that is in good condition can be added to the fuel tank of a gasoline-fueled car or truck. (Don't dispose of gasoline-oil mixtures for two-stroke-cycle engines in this way.)

However, when storage is necessary, this bulletin describes how to do it properly and safely.

The term "container" is used collectively for storage cans and drums, storage tanks, and vehicle and equipment fuel tanks except when the discussion is specific to only one member of the class.

This Bulletin addresses:
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Thanks Ken,

Gasoline life is always a concern to me after storing my cars over the winter. I had to replace my fuel pump after cavitating it a few times on a low tank.
Last July 4th, I sat in a boat for 5 Hrs. trying to get the outboard started that a guy had put in the water and wouldn't fire up. After getting the starter bendix freed up from the flywheel and lubing it, we spent the rest of the time trying to empty a 15 Gal. tank of 3 Year old gas out of it. We never did get it to start because the carbs were clogged solid with varnish from the old gas. I couldn't even blow air through the fuel filters!
 
Gas is a by product of refining crud so....Incidentally, if you want to fix the problem of "Today's so-called 'clean' fuels" like those in CA move to the south or at least most parts of the south!
 
G Winter said:
jet liners have electric fuel pumps and wires in their tanks too. Gives you second thoughts about flying .:eek

While not being a chemist I was taught that if the wires are submerged in the fuel no fire can start. Why, because oxygen is required for combustion. Remember it is not the liquid gasoline that burns but rather the gas vapor when mixed with oxygen that burns.

I actually learned this from first hand personal experience as a kid (thats a longer story but I am alive today to tell you that it's true).

I believe that this is also why liquid fuel rockets must cary an "oxidizer" so the the fuel will actually combust.
 
This is good info.i have had my 84 since 1996 and im on my 3rd fuel pump.
 
Mr. Peabody said:
While not being a chemist I was taught that if the wires are submerged in the fuel no fire can start. Why, because oxygen is required for combustion. Remember it is not the liquid gasoline that burns but rather the gas vapor when mixed with oxygen that burns.

I actually learned this from first hand personal experience as a kid (thats a longer story but I am alive today to tell you that it's true).

I believe that this is also why liquid fuel rockets must cary an "oxidizer" so the the fuel will actually combust.

But , are the wires covered when you are nearly out of fuel ?
 
G Winter said:
But , are the wires covered when you are nearly out of fuel ?

Actually the wires are are hooked up inside the fuel pump and the gas travels over them, the commutator and the brushes. I took one apart and couldn't believe it but....it's true. The fuel pump also has this little check valve built into it....I guess this is one of the things responsible for maintaining fuel pressure when the engine is not running. The little metal pump section does not pump air, only liquid....I guess this is why no oxygen present.
 
thanks for that information
I never knew running low could impact fuel pump operation
 
Vettelocke said:
What we've found autocrossing the C-4 is that with less than a 1/4 tank of fuel, the engine will miss coming out of the turns. That's not a big deal in street driving since we all take it real easy going round the corners on the street. Right.........?

Locke McCormick
North Florida Corvette Assn.
Jacksonville, FL
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No doubt.

I noticed that goin easy on the street...;)
 
The lowly fuel filter can also be a pump killer. When the filter starts to clog, the differential pressure across a filter increases, the pump starts working harder, shortening life. You are wise to change this filter periodically, keep fuel in the tank, and your pump wil enjoy a long life. BTW, I believe the stock filter is good for around 20 microns. Forgot where I came across that number but sounds about right.
 
Thanks for the information I always keep the tank full on my motorcycle during the winter to prevent rust and I Always use a fuel stablizer when any of my gasoline engines are not going to be used for several months. Every try cleaning and balancing four carb's on a motorcycle? One time is all it took. But I Never realized the fuel was the cooliant for my pump in my 96 LT4. Thanks Again.

Happy Holidays To All
 

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