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Mobile 1 Synthetic Engine Oil

hoosierdaddy

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Just checking because I trust you all that much. . . . The owners manual for a C-5 calls for the engine oil to meet GM Standard (GM4718M) but does not spell out the Mobile 1; (even though I have seen this somewhere, maybe on the fill cap and I am going to look now), but the owners manual does reccomend 5W30 for the most part. Am I missing GM specifing Mobile 1; even though I know that to be what the factory puts in orignially, right? And what is the AC Oil Filter number that I need, is there a long version and a short version as well? Just want to make sure I get this right. If it's in the manual I have looked right over it.

Thanks,
Bill :w
 
I have used Mobil 1 in my "Good" vehicles for a long time and have been pleased with the results, Mobil was one of the first if not the first to market synthetic oil and IMHO is the best. because I put so many miles on mine the last two changes have been with the new extended life (15,000 mile) oil.
I also use a Mobil 1 filter a little more expensive but worth it.
Craig sr
 
Hi Bill,

Current Delco p/n's for the stock C5 oil filter are PF-46 (conventional) or UPF-44 (Ultraguard).
 
1stiff84 said:
Hi Bill,

Current Delco p/n's for the stock C5 oil filter are PF-46 (conventional) or UPF-44 (Ultragold).

What is the ultigold exactly? Do you use the Mobile 1 Syntnetic engine oil?

Thanks,
Bill
 
bossvette said:
I have used Mobil 1 in my "Good" vehicles for a long time and have been pleased with the results, Mobil was one of the first if not the first to market synthetic oil and IMHO is the best. because I put so many miles on mine the last two changes have been with the new extended life (15,000 mile) oil.
I also use a Mobil 1 filter a little more expensive but worth it.
Craig sr

Thanks Craig, on a change does it take 6 quarts with a filter? Where you the one that told me you changed a turn/head/park/tail and etc. multi-switch without removing the steering wheel? I was thinking for some reason you told me this but couldn't remember for sure.

Thanks again,
Bill
 
Hi Bill,

Sorry for the typo; the UPF-44 is an Ultraguard filter. It uses a synthetic filtering media (vs. paper for the PF-46). The synthetic media provides more efficient filtering capabilities.

In SoCal, I am using Mobil 1 10W-30 year round.
 
Bill,

Actually it takes 6.5 quarts to change the oil in your C5. Like Craig, I use the Mobil 1 filter because it is made for synthetic oil. 5w-30 is the correct weight recommended by GM. Yes Mobil 1 is the recommended oil and you did see it on the oil fill cap. I use Mobil 1 in the wife's Saturn Vue, 5w-20 there, and I will change the filter at 5k miles. I have no problem waiting until the oil life monitor indicates it's time to change the oil, but I will change the filter every 5k regardless.

Dale
 
Thank you very much for the info, I can see in California using 10W30 year around.

Take care and thanks again,
Bill
 
DDLS1 said:
Bill,

Actually it takes 6.5 quarts to change the oil in your C5. Like Craig, I use the Mobil 1 filter because it is made for synthetic oil. 5w-30 is the correct weight recommended by GM. Yes Mobil 1 is the recommended oil and you did see it on the oil fill cap. I use Mobil 1 in the wife's Saturn Vue, 5w-20 there, and I will change the filter at 5k miles. I have no problem waiting until the oil life monitor indicates it's time to change the oil, but I will change the filter every 5k regardless.

Dale

Thanks Dale, the DIC shows I have 37% of the oil life left but thought I would change it before I took a trip at least, not sure when that's going to be. Not going to be able to make Cruise Fest this year :mad Do you go strictly by the DIC or do you change it once a year or change the filter every 5k?

Thanks again,
Bill :w
 
1stiff84 said:
Hi Bill,

Sorry for the typo; the UPF-44 is an Ultraguard filter. It uses a synthetic filtering media (vs. paper for the PF-46). The synthetic media provides more efficient filtering capabilities.

In SoCal, I am using Mobil 1 10W-30 year round.

So you would definently reccomend useing the UPF-44 is an Ultraguard filter?

Thanks,
Bill
 
Hi Bill,

I like the UPF-44, but like wax, everyone's got their favorites (Mobil 1, Wix, K&N).

Best Wishes,
Tom
 
1stiff84 said:
Hi Bill,

I like the UPF-44, but like wax, everyone's got their favorites (Mobil 1, Wix, K&N).

Best Wishes,
Tom

Thanks Tom,

Bill
 
Mobil 1 has the GM standard (GM4718M) on the back of the bottle. The extended life versions do not. PF46 is the Delco number, 88984215 is the GM number for the filter.
 
hoosierdaddy said:
Thanks Craig, on a change does it take 6 quarts with a filter? Where you the one that told me you changed a turn/head/park/tail and etc. multi-switch without removing the steering wheel? I was thinking for some reason you told me this but couldn't remember for sure.

Thanks again,
Bill

yup it was me. To get the screw under the steering wheel I used a torx screwdriver bit those little 1/4 hex bits and a 1/4 wrench to turn it.
beats pulling the wheel.

I think I have only added oil once to my 97 since I have had it except for the 4 oil changes.
 
bossvette said:
yup it was me. To get the screw under the steering wheel I used a torx screwdriver bit those little 1/4 hex bits and a 1/4 wrench to turn it.
beats pulling the wheel.

I think I have only added oil once to my 97 since I have had it except for the 4 oil changes.

Hey bossvette,

Do you think sense I had issues with having to turn the multi-switch on and off a number of times to get the park lights/tail and dash lights to come last year it that the culpret is the switch itself? Definently what I surprise, checked the fuses and the appear to be good unless they are burnt and I can't tell it. Would this be your conclusion as well? Did yours do this before you replaced the switch?

Thanks again my man,
Bill :w
 
Mine the headlights wouldn't go off unless I jiggled the switch a couple of times to hit the correct spot; been working fine ever since I changed it out got mine from GM parts direct online.
 
bossvette said:
Mine the headlights wouldn't go off unless I jiggled the switch a couple of times to hit the correct spot; been working fine ever since I changed it out got mine from GM parts direct online.

Do you think from my description that changing the mult-switch will take care of my problem? Last year I had to turn it on and off 4 or 5 times and after this spell it would work a number of times in a row before it did it again, and then I would go through the on and off again and they would start working again, but like I said the switch will not turn them on at all now. When I turn the switch all the way to head lamps the tail lights and dash lights will not come on with them either. The head lamps open and work now, and now the switch won't turn on the park lamps and etc, but the turn signals and cruise control still work and like I said the head lamps will open and come on when I turn the switch all the way forward. And when I toggle on the twilight feature everything will come on but you can not just run the park lights and fog lights by them self with this feature on the DIC. Sure makes sense it's the switch doesn't it? Sure is confusing, and does frost my golf balls. I did purchase the switch from Penske Chevrolet in Indy last year but it was working then other the the times I mentioned earlier but like I said it's not now.

Bill

Bill
 
hoosierdaddy said:
Do you go strictly by the DIC or do you change it once a year or change the filter every 5k?

Thanks again,
Bill :w

If you check the manual, it says go by the DIC, but not less than once per year. In 4 years, and 30K miles, I have only changed oil once in less than the yearly interval. Of course, That is just road trips and around town, no track time. I know some who go to the road racing track here and can get to the change oil message in two weekends of track time.

BTW - Mobil 1 5w30 and Delco UPF44 for me. I bought a box of 6 filters from a vette friendly dealer, for 6 bucks a filter. Mobil 1 in 5 qt jugs from Walmart for $18.85.
 
Oil

WOW--fdxpilot---thankyou for the Walmart tip on Mobil-1 oil. That is under $4.00 a qt.--I have been paying over $6.00 a qt. Do they have 10-30 there too? I live in FL and it gets hot down here so I run 10-30.

Terry
 
Mobil 1 5W30 has been the factory-fill engine oil on Corvette since 1992. In fact, at one time, Corvettes all had a trim plate under the hood that identified M1 as the factory fill oil.

Interestingly, Corvette Owner's Manuals and Service Manuals have never specificied Mobil 1 by name, however, since 1992, with exception of '92 ZR-1s, they've specified either 5W30 or a 10W30 engine oil meeting GM spec 4718M which generally defines a synthetic oil.

There are other synthetics which meet GM 4718M and, at this point in time, since 4718M, in some ways, is an obsolete standard--given that oil formulation technology used by refiners can make products that surpass that 90s era spec. Because of that there are synthetic engine oils, mainly those which use ester base stocks, which are better than those meeting 4718M, but, because of the obscenely high cost of gaining GM certification, their makers choose not certify them to the standard.

The reason GM specifies a 5W30 has more to do with meeting Federal fuel economy standards and appearing to be a good corporate citizen than reliability/durability or performance. Thus, the best oil choice for just about any Corvette (other than those which are heavily-modified or are race only) is a 10W30. Mobil 1 makes a very good 10W30 and I see it at some Costco stores for a reasonable price.

The best 10W30, in my opinion, comes from the Red Line Synthetic Oil Corporation but, admittedly, it's more expensive. It also does not meet 4718M because Red Line chooses not to certify it due to the expense and that certification effectively prohibits continuous improvement of the product.

Bottom line: if you want your C4, 5 or 6 engine to run hardest and last longest, switch from a 5W30 to a 10W30. Mobil 1 is good. Red Line is better.

As for C5 oil filters, the best on the market is the UPF44. Interestingly, the UPF44 is the only part number left in a short-lived line of premium oil filters GM called "ACDelco Ultragard". Several years ago, ACD launched Ultragard but, generally it was a commercial failure. Ultraguards were expensive and, like a lot of GM's aftermarket products, they were not well-marketed but...those filters were absolutely the best on the market. The entire line was made by Champion Filter Co, which makes premium, private-label filters for the likes of the "K&N Performance Gold" and "Mobil 1 Oil Filter" brands.

I'm not sure why ACD still sells the UPF44 but it may be that it knows the UPF44 is a significant improvement in filtering over the PF44 and/or that the UPF44 is the only Ultraguard which experienced high demand. In any event, there is no other filter on the market for a Gen 3/4 engine which is better and few can equal its combination of excellent filtering ability, low restriction to oil flow and good bypass valve control.

The UPF series of filters is so good that, several years ago, when all of the UPFs except the '44 were being discontinued, I bought several hundred dollars worth of remaining stock of UPF52 and UPF1218 from several dealers arond the country. As a result, I'll use UPFs for many years.

Executive summary: ALL my cars which have cats use Red Line 10W30. The two cars without cats use Red Line SAE30 Race Oil. Any of the cars which see more than 10,000 miles annually, use extended drain intervals. As for filters, I use either the UPF44, the UPF52 or the UPF1218 on all but one car. The remaining car uses a Mobil 1 Oil Filter because there never was a UPF number released for its engine.
 

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