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NASCAR, not Johnson, driving fans away

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Everybody who spends time around Jimmie Johnson likes him. He's friendly and doesn't make a big deal of who he is or what he has accomplished.

Jimmie grew up in a trailer park, an endearing little piece of history that goes against his courteous corporate image. But when I see him, and listen to him, I don't get a whiff of a trailer. Yet when I talk to another Johnson, Junior Johnson, I always look behind him to see how close revenuers are. History clings to him.

Jimmie, the four-time reigning Cup series champion, is not the problem with his sport. But his sport has serious problems.

The foremost of them is that the races are boring. Defenders of the sport, not all of whom are in the media, point to the multiple winners this season. Look how diverse we are. You never know whatwill happen next.

If the races aren't much fun to watch, what difference does it make who wins, unless it's Dale Earnhardt Jr., and he wins as often as I do.

TV ratings are down. Attendance is inconsistent. There will be Thanksgiving Day touch football games that attract as many spectators as the NASCAR Banking 500 did last month at Lowe's Motor Speedway.

NASCAR made a decision years ago. It decided to abandon the Southeast and South and appeal to fans nationally. The strategy was a short-term success. NASCAR became the hot new sport. Fans were sick of politics, sick of unions, and here was a sport in which the athletes played nice and a work stoppage was unfathomable. This was a ma and pa enterprise. There were no unions.

So, out with the South and in with Chicago and Kansas City, Kan.

Problem is, the new fans haven't stayed. They tried NASCAR the way they'd try a new restaurant and, after a few meals, they moved on. They failed to find compelling personalities to identify with. They failed to find the feuds that fuel our most popular sports (such as the NFL and the New York Giants vs. Philadelphia, Dallas vs. the world and Cleveland vs. itself).

The up-close and personal side by side racing for which the sport is known feels like history.

Ma, tell us about how exciting the racing was in the old days, before the Car of Tomorrow.

Fans in the Southeast and South, meanwhile, fans who for decades kept the sport afloat, felt cheated. After all their support, they lost races to the newcomers and, in some cases, they lost race tracks. When NASCAR abandoned them, they abandoned NASCAR.

I hear less talk about NASCAR in Charlotte than I have during the 28 years I've lived here. I'm talking about restaurants, bars, parties, at the gym, at work., everywhere people talk.

Yes, my friends always have been more likely to talk about the NFL than about racing. But always there was somebody who would talk about meeting Dale Earnhardt at a convenience store near Lake Norman, and being in awe. Or watching a race just to see what the “3 car” would do during the final 10 laps. Or they'd ask me which race they ought to see first, and where they ought to sit.

The only time NASCAR comes up now is when I ask why they stopped talking about it.

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I have a 4 point plan to bring it back.
1. Get rid of the rear wing that lifts the car when backweards and the spliter that cuts valve stems.
2. Make the bumpers un-even so bump drafting is not possible
3. Trash the restrictor plates, let the driver decided if he wants to live or die.
4. Make the cars look like cars again. Ford looks like a Ford, chevrolet looks like a Chevy, ets.

Keep all the safety equipment in the design of the COT. These changes would make the cars more raceable and more exciting for the fans. Side by side racing could happen without a slight touch causing a tire to go down. At the fast tracks the cars would have enough power to actually pass instead of just playing follow the leader. Just bring back door to door, bumper to bumper, fast racing.
 
Give each team these choices:
3 Choices of tire compounds
3 Choices of gear ratios
3 Choices of shock pkgs

Except engine block & heads( and a few other parts) everyone has the same parts & pieces.Choices would allow for better racing,IMO.

Cup races are too long.Make 'em shorter like the CW & NW series.

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Carolina
 
I think that if the cars looked more like what was in the showroom would help. And remember when you had to really manufacturer what was raced? Of course that probably wouldn't work in todays economy. I don't think the public would show up to watch a 4 door v-6 Camery race a 4 door six cylender Impala.
 
There's no dought Nascar has some credibility issues. That being said, I've been a short track fan since the sixties, and attended my first cup race in 85. By the end of the eighties all the races were on tv, and availible to more people than ever before. Many of these new fans were fans because of tv.

At the beginning of the nineties they started building new tracks and expanding others trying to keep up. TV fans started to go to the races. Everything was good for 10-12+ years. Now most of the older long time popular drivers are gone. People are finding new things to do.

One last thing is the younger people don't seem to be interested in the same types of racing as earlier generations.

Mark.
 
Until year before last I had missed two races since 1993. Towards the end of the 07 season I quit watching regularly. It seemed that every race, about ten laps to go, a caution was thrown for one reason or another. The final straw for me was the second Atlanta race. Less than ten to go, 48 car short 2 laps on fuel, Smoke in a 4-5 second lead, and then a caution for debris. Even DW stated that if "they pick up some debris we'll show it". Hmmm... Two friends of mine were there also. No debris shown, none recovered, 48 pits for fuel and tires and Felon Motorsports (Rick Hendrick, for those who don't remember the felony charges, jail time, and miracle recovery from cancer after the pardon) wins again.
Cut the owners back to two car teams. That will reduce testing at every track and make the field a little more level for the smaller guys. Put 'em in real cars. And for God's sake get rid of the MADE FOR TV chase!
 
I am a big fan of Indy Car. Just take a look at their series this year...16 races or so and 14 points-lead changes during the season. It went down to the last race of the season with 3 drivers having a chance of winning. Oh, and no "Made For TV" chase.

NASCAR gives EVERY frikken place points! Maybe give only the top 10 finishers points and see what happens.

I was so hoping that Mark Martin would win. Oh well.
 
Lets see :COT ,DW ,JR .JJ
Too many rules
Too many cars per teams
Too many laps
Too much money
I don't really know but NASCAR is on a down hill slide and it's not the economy
 
I will watch if they:

1. Run a couple figure 8 races. The ones on an oval see #2
2. Right when they say start your engines the grand marshal pulls one of two cards. One says "turn left" the other, "turn right". They start the race going in the direction on the card pulled, run 1/2 way and finish going the other way.
3. get rid of the COT.

In reality NASCAR will blame economy, blah, blah, but look at the job the NHL has done with the winter classic. When they did the first outdoor game, it created a buzz. When they did it again, and on New Years day, it created a bigger buzz. Many thought they were nuts competing with football, but people talked about it and watched. It get's bigger every year.

Imagine, just after the NHL winter classic on New Years Day, the same network or another network shows a figure 8 race from some small town track in the south. Only the winner will get points towards the sprint cup championship. That way, all of the big names will participate and will go all out every lap. They way it should be.
 
I used to be a huge nascar fan. I used to watch almost every race. after dale died.. tough to watch but I kept watching till rusty retired then gave it up. letting toyota in didn't help credibility. I just prefer real racing. Circle track is fun but not when EVERY race is circle track. I understand the races are physically demanding, mentally demanding but still boring. too many rules(as stated above). arca is more fun to watch. 1/4 mile circle track.. oh yea.
 
NASCAR has lost any relevance it had a few years ago but it's taken several years for the fans to realize that.
The cars, even the ones before the COT, are mostly spec cars and have nothing in common with a 'stock' car. NASCAR is lost in the 60's.
NASCAR only recently switched to unleaded fuel.
NASCAR still uses carburetors.
Most tracks are cookie cutter copies of other tracks. Daytona and Talladega have lost their luster. It's very difficult to watch a 'race' where the cars all have the same power and the track has enough banking such that the driver never has to lift the throttle or use the brakes except when there is a wreck in front of them.

Kill the spec cars. Steal the Le Mans series GT2 rule book and start using 'stock' cars again. Flatten the banking at Daytona and Talladega or run them as rovals for the rest of their life.

I'm betting that a manufacturer will pull the plug on NASCAR support soon and will announce that before the end of 2010. The current manufacturers get nothing out of NASCAR and will attendance down and less people watching the races on TV, they'll get even less out of NASCAR.

I'll be watching ALMS this year.
 
Stock Car Racing

I have an idea that Vett Boy touched on: Get the MONEY out of it! DeCommercialize it, let the teams do their own engineering and let 'em race.:thumb
 
I used to be a huge nascar fan. I used to watch almost every race. after dale died.. tough to watch but I kept watching till rusty retired then gave it up. letting toyota in didn't help credibility. I just prefer real racing. Circle track is fun but not when EVERY race is circle track. I understand the races are physically demanding, mentally demanding but still boring. too many rules(as stated above). arca is more fun to watch. 1/4 mile circle track.. oh yea.
I'm right with you on Senior and Rusty!! That was end for me too:beer
 

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