NCRS Question

[CAPNZ]

I hope I'm not upsetting everyone with all my questions but I have MANY.
Has anyone had their car judged by NCRS Officials?
How do they score the points?
I have the book.
TIA
"Jeff"

 

[BarryK]

if you already have the NCRS judging guide for your '73 you already have most of the info you need to prepare your car for judging but a good idea would also be to contack Roy Sinor from NCRS (you should be able to get his email off the NCRS website or from the Restorer magazine) and ask him to send you copies of the judging sheets.
The JG is great of course but where the JG may tell you that something "wrong" could be a 25% or a 50% deduction for that area it doesn't tell what the point amounts are to know howe many actual points are being deducted - the sheets are good for that information.
After going over your car very carefully following the JG and the sheets you will have a pretty good idea how your car should rate in judging. Now make a complete list of anything "wrong" and work off that to start making improvements.
Most people seem to feel the best method is one that equates to a points vs. $$ payback. for example you may gain 5 points if you change XXXX but it may cost you a LOT of money to make that change where another area that is incorrect may gain you the same 5 points but cost relatively a small amount. Look closely at your new list and start making the changes first that gain you the most points for the smallest amount of money and work up from there. Once you go thru and correct all the relatively inexpensive items rejudge your car yourself again and see where you stand. Does it seem like you should be in top-flight status yet/ If so than look carefully at your list and determine how much it's going to cost to make other improvements. Remember, top-flight is top-flight no matter if your points are in the upper or lower range to acheive that - it may not be necessary to spend that extra $1,500 (just as an example) to change out a wrong item if the rest of the car is good enough to top-flight.
I'd say one of the biggest things to go over on the car to make sure EVERYTHING works perfect - is your clock working, the ciggy lighter, all your interior lights, odometer and trip odometer, etc.
The NCRS website is a great place to gain info on judging and the process also besides the great people here on CAC. In fact, a lot of the same people on here I also see on the forum over there.

hope this helps a little

 

[JohnZ]

I hope I'm not upsetting everyone with all my questions but I have MANY.
Has anyone had their car judged by NCRS Officials?
How do they score the points?
I have the book.
TIA
"Jeff"

Jeff, I've been doing it for many years (I'm an NCRS Master Judge); if you have the Technical Manual & Judging Guide, that describes the car's original configuration, and is the standard against which the car will be judged. As Barry said, you can e-mail Roy Sinor (National Judging Chairman) and request a set of '73 judging sheets, and he'll e-mail you that package in .pdf format (Operations, Exterior, Interior, Mechanical, and Chassis); be sure to include your name and NCRS National membership number in the request.

The other book you should have is the "Corvette Judging Reference Manual", which explains judging, scoring, awards, and event procedures in great detail, and will answer your procedural questions in advance; it also explaiins all the "standard deductions" used for different levels of deviation from original, and is available from the store at the NCRS site (www.ncrs.org).

Focus first on the Operations items - they're the least expensive to bring up to snuff, and also have the largest deductions, as most are pass/fail.

 

[CAPNZ]

Thanks guys! That's what I may get is the Reference Manual. I have the Judging Guide for the 73 and I've read it 4 times. I'm always asking questions here to make sure I'm doing it right. There's only 38K miles on my 73/454 but there's little things wrong which I'm fixing. At times it just seems overwhelming and I'm wondering if it's worth the effort to get a NCRS rating. Would this increase the vaule of my investment?

TIA
"Jeff"

 

[Erik S. Klein]

Would this increase the vaule of my investment?

Very much so.

Original and correct cars are always worth more.

The other thing that helps is documentation (window sticker, build sheet, protect-o plate, etc.)

 

[markone]

Hi:

Can you tell me when '92's will be accepted for "flight" judging?

Thanks,

markone

 

[JohnZ]

Shouldn't be too long - '90-'91 are being judged this year for the first time.

 

[CAPNZ]

JohnZ
Where was this thread moved to?
Will I be deducted points for a Quartz Clock?
Will I be deducted points for a repo rear window frame?
TIA
"Jeff"

 

[CAPNZ]

Also, does the NCRS allow for aftermarket add-ons????
TIA
"Jeff"

 

[Erik S. Klein]

JohnZ
Where was this thread moved to?
Will I be deducted points for a Quartz Clock?
Will I be deducted points for a repo rear window frame?

Also, does the NCRS allow for aftermarket add-ons????

The thread was moved to the NCRS forums, right where it belongs. . .

The answers to your questions are simple. The NCRS judges to factory original condition. A car that just rolled off of the assembly line is a perfect car. Anything that's obviously changed from that point is a deduction.

Reproduction parts are iffy. The judges are very good at spotting them and if they do they deduct. If they don't notice, then you're home free. Usually, though, you are better off with a restored or even slightly rough original part than an aftermarket repro.

As for aftermarket add-ons, they are all deductions, even if they were dealer installed like luggage racks, etc.

 

[JohnZ]

A quartz-conversion clock will automatically fail that line item in Operations judging - 25-point deduction (BIG hit).

Reproduction parts don't automatically get a deduction; deducts will only be taken to the extent that the part deviates from an original part. If it "appears" as if it could be an original part, it won't get any deduction.

Add-on parts (like luggage racks, right-side mirrors, etc.) get deductions only to the extent that they have affected the original car; for instance, if you have a luggage rack, the rack itself won't get a deduction, but you'll get a deduction for the holes drilled in the body to attach it.

 

[CAPNZ]

Thanks John; you've been very helpful, although I'm still confused. My rear window frame is warpped in the center as most are. It has only 4 holes. It bugs me. So, if I put an AFM/Repo on with a fifth screw hole in the center no big deal as far as deductions?????
TIA
"JEFF"

 

[JohnZ]

I'm not familiar with that level of detail on C3's, but the extra screw would probably only get a minor deduction (assuming the rest of the window and frame appear the same as the original).