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Open / Closed Loop Operation

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I am sure this has been discussed here; but I am a lazy guy :( so please help me understand a few more basic stuff here folks...

I often read "open loop" and "closed loop" operation here. What do these really mean and when do they prevail?

Cheers,

Selim
 
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All EFI systems rely on sensors to report engine conditions to the ECM so it can make intelligent decisions based on the engine’s performance. Each of these sensors reports on a particular engine condition. It is then up to the ECM to gather all this data and condense it to deliver the proper fuel and spark to the engine. The cool thing about this is that current automotive computers can make these decisions thousands of times per second! Try that with your hand calculator.
For example, let’s take a look at a typical late-model TPI- or LT1-style fuel injection system. We’ll deal with only the sensors that have direct input for fuel injection, omitting the emissions-oriented sensors for now. To start with, all EFI systems need an ignition trigger. This is fairly simple since it’s virtually the same as the hookup for a normal analog tachometer.

TPS: The throttle position sensor (TPS) hooks directly to the throttle blades to tell the ECM via a voltage signal not only how far the throttle is open or closed but also the rate at which the throttle opening is changing.

MAP: The manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor reads the intake manifold pressure (or vacuum), converting this pressure reading into a voltage signal that the ECM can use. In speed-density systems, this is a critical sensor. If the MAP sensor fails, the system usually reverts to a limp-home mode.

MAF: Certain TPI, LT1, and LS1 Chevy production engines use a mass airflow (MAF) sensor to measure the amount of air the engine is using. This sensor is located upstream of the throttle body and uses what is called a hot-wire sensor. A very small wire strung across the airstream is electrically heated to a certain temperature. As air passes over the wire, it cools. The amount of current required to maintain the wire’s temperature then represents the amount of mass airflow.

O2: Oxygen sensors (O2) are often employed in EFI systems to report the amount of free oxygen in the exhaust. This is a convenient way to measure rich or lean air/fuel ratio conditions in an engine at part-throttle. EFI systems employing an O2 sensor are generally referred to as operating in closed loop. If the engine does not use the sensor, the system is said to be operating in open loop. Closed loop refers to the fact that the O2 sensor readings allow the computer to measure the result of combustion. Low oxygen readings indicate a rich condition, and higher oxygen content in the exhaust is a result of lean air/fuel conditions. Even MAF-equipped engines operate in closed loop, since the O2 sensor’s feedback allows for very tight control over part-throttle air/fuel ratios.




Unfortunately, these factory-type O2 sensors only operate accurately within a very narrow range of the air/fuel ratio scale. They are most accurate when reading ratios hovering around 14.7:1, which is the “ideal” ratio for emissions where hydrocarbons (HC), carbon monoxide (CO), and oxides of nitrogen (NOx) are at their combined lowest levels.

Coolant: This is a fairly simple but important sensor. For the engine to run properly at low temperatures, it’s critical that the ECM be aware of the coolant temperature. Low-temperature input, for example, will trigger fuel enrichment outputs from the ECM to act like a choke for cold-start and warmup situations.

MAT: Inlet air temperature affects the air/fuel ratio, so a manifold air temperature (MAT) sensor is needed to help the computer compensate for changes in air density based on temperature. All EFI systems offer compensation tables for inlet air-temperature changes.

Knock Sensor: All late-model GM engines are also equipped with a knock sensor that identifies engine knock or ping. When the knock sensor informs the ECM that it senses knock, the ECM can retard timing to prevent engine damage. Several aftermarket EFI systems also employ a similar knock sensor system.

Cam Position Sensor: Sequential fuel injection systems require a sensor to tell the ECM where cylinder No. 1 is in relation to top dead center in order to trigger the fuel injectors to deliver fuel at the proper time. This sensor is usually some type of magnetic pickup located either on the camshaft drive or on the damper (similar to a racing-style crank-trigger sensor
 
Hi Jon, That was a clear, at least for me, explaination of a subject that kind of intimidates me. Thanks alot!!

Tom:D
 
I guess the car starts in the open loop and then gets into the closed loop operation. But when does that happen?
 
That usually happens once the engine is up to operating temperature(more tham 160 degrees) and it is getting a signal from the O2 sensor. The closing of the loop causes the ECM to go into Enrich/Enlean mode that constantly changes the fuel injector pulses to lengthen or shorten to satisfy the O2 sensor.
 
Is that the temperature of the engine coolant or the engine oil Pete?
 
Block temp., which is more likely coolant temp. Oil temp. takes a little longer to warm up.
 
Thanks Pete. I appreciate the answer. I am wondering why the engine does not start in closed loop and waits until the block warms up?
 
It takes a while for the O2 sensor to warm up and the open loop settings allow for a quicker warm-up. When the engine is cold, there will not be any voltage at the O2 sensor, since it generates its own voltage from the catalyst in the sensor itself. Once it warms up and goes into closed loop all of the emission controls are active, and it starts to get better fuel economy.
 
Open/Closed loop

Try starting out on a level roadway with a cold engine without traffic. Yes, this is ideal and perhaps unavailable. I like early Sunday morning on the local interstate.
Set the fuel monitor to 'instantaneous' mileage.
When the car goes to closed loop, the mileage will increase significantly.
 
So we could summerize this as follows:

1. Cold engine starts at open loop mode. Objective is to warm up the engine and also the O2 sensors as soon as possible (must be for the "heated" type O2 sensors). Fuel efficiency in this mode is less efficient than closed loop. Emission controls are not operational.

2. When engine coolant & O2 sensors reach a certain temperature the system goes into closed loop mode. O2 sensors are now feeding info to the ECM for rich / lean condition and therefore "injector on time" is being monitored. Fuel efficiency is better since fuel is being metered according to feed back signals to the ECM. Emission controls are operational.

If all said above is true, there is still a point for discussion. How do the O2 sensor temp and engine coolant temp relate to each other after a cold start up? Do they reach the switching temp (i.e. from open to closed loop) at the same time? That sounds like a bad assumption to me...

Cheers,

Selim
 
If all said above is true, there is still a point for discussion. How do the O2 sensor temp and engine coolant temp relate to each other after a cold start up? Do they reach the switching temp (i.e. from open to closed loop) at the same time? That sounds like a bad assumption to me...
Engine temperature and O2 temperature is like talking oranges and apples, two different things. Engine coolant might be 200F but the O2 sensor operates around 600F (closed loop). The two may be somehow related, but that's all.

Even with the engine warmed right up, let the engine idle until the cooling fans come on, around 223F, the engine may be in open loop because the O2 sensors have cooled down at the idle.

Ron ... :w
 
Ron,

Thanks for the answer. Does it mean that the open / closed loop operation is turned on & off by the O2 sensors rather than the engine coolant temp sensor? If so, the engine would operate in open / closed loop modes several times during a single trip?
 
Thanks for the answer. Does it mean that the open / closed loop operation is turned on & off by the O2 sensors rather than the engine coolant temp sensor?
The ECM looks at a number of things, operation of the O2 sensor is the most important. Cold, non-functioning O2 sensor = open loop.

If so, the engine would operate in open / closed loop modes several times during a single trip?
Depending on conditions, yes. One of the reasons for heated O2 sensors.

Ron ... :w
 
In a more generic sense, these are operations that are performed by programmable controlled computers.

Open loop:
All output systems are controlled by codes in the ROM chips to control start-up functions/basic operating mode.

Closed loop:
All output systems are controlled by monitoring input sensors, and the Controller uses look-up tables algorithms to vary outputs and monitor changes in the input sensors to optimise operating parameters.
 
I learned something new and interesting about how to determine whether the car is in open or closed loop, and the relative richness-leanness of the mixture.

If you connect the "A" and "B" terminals on the ALDL ("ground the diagnostic terminal") with the engine running (can actually be done before you start it if you like and it operates the same), your "check engine" light will flash in this manner:

When the engine is in open loop (at cold startup, and restart after shutdown for a short period of time) the light will flash rapidly off and on - about twice a second or faster.

Once the engine goes into close loop (after a preset time, and O2 sensor has warmed up, etc.) the light will flash about once per second off and on. If the light is on more than off, the mixture is rich. If it is off more than on, it is lean. "About even" off and on indicates the proper mixure.

You can illustrate this after warming the engine then in gear decelerating as you would going down a hill to a stop, to where the ECM will cut the fuel off... you should see the lean indication (light off more than on). If you accelerate briskly, you should see a rich indication (light on more than off). Thought this was a "fun" thing to try and was interesting. I could watch the temperature indicator and note that it went from open to closed-loop at just over 110 degrees F, and could see it go into open loop even with a warm engine for a short time... assume to make sure the start was successful. Tim
 
HallenTi said:
You can illustrate this after warming the engine then in gear decelerating as you would going down a hill to a stop, to where the ECM will cut the fuel off... you should see the lean indication (light off more than on). If you accelerate briskly, you should see a rich indication (light on more than off). Thought this was a "fun" thing to try and was interesting. I could watch the temperature indicator and note that it went from open to closed-loop at just over 110 degrees F, and could see it go into open loop even with a warm engine for a short time... assume to make sure the start was successful. Tim

What you're describing is called "DFCO", for Decel Fuel Cut Off". If you watch for it you can feel it actually slow the car down going down a hill. I built me an air/fuel ratio meter and can see it go lean during decel. Really neat to watch.

I'd also like to make a comment on the O2 sensor. It really isn't accurate to say that the sensor "creates" it's own voltage...that's not really true. It gets a "bias" voltage from the ECM, and until it is able to have an effect on this "bias" voltage (ie gets hot) the ECM will stay in open loop. This is even more of an issue with aftermarket long tube headers, since the O2 sensor generally sits farther downstream in the exhaust.

Bill
 
Hey thanks folks, all very good information.

Cheers,

Selim
 
I was told that 1993 was the last year of open loop / closed loop modes.

Starting 1994 all the cars were always in closed loop. Anyone have more info on this? This is logical considering the computer changed drastically between '93 and '94...
 
HallenTi said:
I learned something new and interesting about how to determine whether the car is in open or closed loop...........
I had O'drive cycling issues indicating this, at steady freeway speeds. The fix was to change the spark plug wires.
 

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