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Last night I noticed that when you move the steering wheel rapidly from side to side with the engine off the rack and pinion makes a knocking sound. I checked and it is securly mounted. Is there any kind of adjustment, or should it be replaced?

If so has anyone done it on a 92 ? My haynes manual makes it sound simple, my experience is that the book is not often correct.
 
Are you sure the knocking is from the rack? It may be from something else like a suspension part, tie rod etc. Have someone else down at the front when you do the wheel thing to see if they can pinpoint the source. My rack is on the way out and at cold or slow wheel turns you can feel a notchy sensation when driving.
 
I am 99% sure it is the rack, my son helped me while I looked for the noise. The od think is that it feels tight, just makes a nasty knock.
 
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I have been looking at online info and it references inner and outer tie-rod ends for a 92. When I look at the car, I only see outer. The rod comes from the raack out to the hub. Is there an inner tie-rod end under the boot on the rack, or is these just an outer?

Thanks
 
rrhayden said:
... noticed that when you move the steering wheel rapidly from side to side with the engine off

:L I'm sorry, but it sounds like there was a little kid behind the wheel going "Vroom! Vroom!" and steering frantically. :L

I'm only kidding, please don't get offended. ;)

_ken :w
 
Ken,

Better yet it was my 22 year old, who just returned from driving the car 2 blocks to the store " ya right" said hay dad have you noticed the noise in front of the car.
 
Man, there is no worse feeling I think, than to have someone return your car and say "Oh, by the way..." :hb
 
Ken; I sit behind the wheel of mine with the engine off steering frantically going "Vroom Vrooom" on occasion. What's so funny?
Don't we all on those crappy days/sasparilla days?:L
 
But you have reason to do that Randy, you're way up there in the Great White North, while I reside in the SUNNY SOUTHERN CLIMATE OF CALIFORNIA. We don't get those "crappy days." :gap

_ken :CAC
 
Had to replace my complete rack and pinion....on my '84....but it had 80k miles on it......
Now everything is goooooooooood....
tony
 
Steering Rack replacement....been there, done that got the skinned knuckles to prove it! (took about 6 hrs w/ certain special tools, a lift and a competent friend)

First, there ARE inner and outer tie rod ends; the outers attach the tie rods to the steering knuckles thru 90 deg rod ends, while the inners are part of the tie rods attach them to the rack thru in-line rod ends. These are cylindrical dohickeys about an inch-inch & a half or so in diameter, about an inch long with a big hex on part of the OD for adjusting. I'm pretty sure they're buried under the boots (It's been a few years since I did this job).

It isn't really difficult until you try to get the damn thing out. Once everying is disconnected, the fun begins as you try to negotiate the rack out. There is a triangular shaped opening among all the frame/suspension parts that is JUST BARELY LARGE ENOUGH to fit the steering gear thru and you'll have lot's of fun jockeying the rack past it.

Special tools?
-18mm crow's foot for the pressure line connections at the steering gear.

-Tie rod end tool to "pop" the friction fit cones of the outer tie rod ends from the steering knuckle (or you can try the hammer method of loosening the nuts, backing up one side of the knuckle with a large brass bar, a whacking the other side with a sharp hammer blow---this deforms the cone shape enough to pop the cones apart. Never hit the tie rod end directly with a hammer. I don't care how hard you hit it, it won't pop the cones and it will damage the part. )

-band-aids

-lot's of hand-cleaning goop---you'll need it!

Suggestions:
-If you're gonna do this yourself, get a GM (Helms) service manual. Trust me on this, Haynes always makes it sound simpler than it is.

-I also suggest buying new outer tie rod ends--they do not come with the new rack.

-Lastly, when removing the tie rod ends, count the number of turns so you can install to the same number of turns on the new rack to guesstimate your toe-in.

hope this helps!

Tedster
 
Thanks for the outline, this does not sound like fun !! Do you know if there is any adjustment in the rack ?


















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Thanks for the outline, this does not sound like fun !!

I suppose that depends on your definition of "fun", hehehe!

It's not really that difficult, but some fasteners are a PITA to wrench aND , let's face it, this isn't usually the cleanest part of a car, so it's a dirty job.

The only adjustments required will be to re-align the front end because the toe-in is adjusted via the steering rack tie-rods.

Oh, yeah....the most important special tool.....BEER! It enhances one's perpective :hb

and helps with the attitude of anyone foolish enough to offer help!:beer
 
Thanks for the beer tip,

I would think that will help with the shinned knuckels and all also !
 

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