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Hi - If you have had the resonator removed from your car are you pleased that you did? I understand that at idle there really is not that much of a difference, but under throttle it does liven up the exhaust note.

What do you guys think? ;help
 
I thought about this too. But one step further. Add an X-pipe in place of the resonator...
I'll be really curious if anyone has done just the resonator. My understanding is that it doesn't impede the flow much. But it does reduce the pipe diameter inside so maybe you get a little more flow and a change in the tone.
Graham
 
The guy that does my motor work wants me to get rid of the resonator for an X-pipe... but mine will go long tube headers, no cats, X-pipe into factory mufflers if I go this route.
 
Can the replacement pipes just be straight pipes and not an "X" pipe? Thanks.
 
Yup.. can be replaced with just about any type of pipe configuration.. I know some cars like X-pipes in place and see a good power gain from them.
 
Okay, thanks for the input. Greatly appreciated. :)
 
The purpose of X-pipes...

X-pipes equalize back pressure pulses to improve exhaust flow.

Increased horsepower can be made by splicing an X-pipe into the exhaust system. The pipe welds in behind catalytic converters and provides a gain of approximately 9 horsepower according to some manufacturers. It's supposed to work equally well with either stock or aftermarket exhaust systems.

Deciding on installing a performance exhaust brings with it some questions however, such as the H-pipe versus X-pipe debate. Some believe that the H-pipe is the best flowing pipe of the two, while others say that the X-pipe is the better choice.

Examples
  • Pro:
  • The X shape allows for a smooth blend of the exhaust paths and is reported to provide better low end torque. The jury is still out on the exact hp and lb-ft numbers generated from the X-pipe layout since the systems are usually evaluated as a whole, but it appears that from a flow analysis point, the X-pipe should flow better than the H-pipe layout.

    Con:
  • The H-pipe loses efficiency at the H-shaped crossover, and that the design does not allow the gases to flow smoothly through the pipes to the mufflers and out the tail pipes.

_ken :w
 
Ken - Do you think that the installation of 2 straight pipes would cause any harm?
 
Harm? No. Will it be noisier (louder, more resonance)? Yes. ;)

_ken :w
 
Excellent, that's just what I wanted to hear. Thanks. :)


Ken said:
Harm? No. Will it be noisier (louder, more resonance)? Yes. ;)

_ken :w
 
Hey RubyDropTop

Listen for one setup like you invision. I put in a straight shot on my 94 to make more noise. I'm older than dirt and can't hear anyway. HOWEVER, I quickly put the resonator back on. Sounded good at idle, but shook the whole car between 1500 and 3000 rpm. It's hard to drive outside that range.

Resonator with Flowmaster 50's, cheap and good sound, of course at my age any sound is good.

All the Best

Dale

:D
 
Dale,
I was looking at the Flowmaster 50 (Delta Flow) yesterday. I was wondering how well those would work. How is the resonance between 1500-3000? Or in general. I tried another brand of muffler and there was one area that just killed me. I felt like i was inside the resonator...
Also do you know what part # you got. I saw one that was 3" in and dual 2.5" out that looked like it might work.
Graham
 
Howdy Graham

No resonance from the 50 series. There is a relative loud noise/rumble as you step on the go pedal (not at all unpleasant) and as soon as you "level off", it is as quiet as a mouse (nice soft rumble).

I got both of mine at a local muffler shop, installed for a $200 bill. It is slightly different as it did not come with the Vette fastener which the shop quickly and efficiently cut off the old one and welded on to the new mufflers.

I am not dissappointed at all.

All the Best!

Dale
 
My, but how the Fates work... :L

I just came across a reference in the Hot Rod magazine article on the new Holden GTO, and in it, Bob Lutz was quoted as saying that they purposely did not use an x-pipe, or a crossover of any sort, in the "true dual" exhaust on the car.
HRM: I understand the exhaust system came in for some revisions.

Bob Lutz: Yes, the Monaro didn't have an aggressive growl. I want to stress that the Pontiac GTO has a true dual-exhaust system. The mufflers and tubing have been tuned to emulate the sound of the classic GTO from the '60s. We recorded the exhaust sounds of a '66 and a '68 GTO at the Milford proving grounds to get a sonic signature to shoot for. Then we made it happen using dual resonators, dual catalyitc converters, and dual mufflers without a crossover path to get a deep-throated sound. When you step on the gas it goes graaaaghhh, then as you let off it goes braaaaaaghhh. This way you can hear exactly what the engine is doing. The twin outlets are placed on the left corner of the rear bumper cap rather than on each corner of the car because retooling the fascia would have added too much cost to the program. We may refine this detail later.

_ken :v (I love cars!)
 
Mine is a '96 LT1 with an aftermarket cam and longtube headers. The exhaust consists of a pair of Random Tech Hi flo cats, an "H" pipe and a pair of Corsa mufflers.

Nice pleasant gurgle at idle; noticeable but not obnoxious at cruising speeds; and definitely attention getting at wide open throttle.

The Random Cats are where the reasonators would normally be, and at part throttle acceleration there is one point in the rpm range where the reasonance is quite loud, but only for a little bit until the revs go past it.

This spring when it warms up a little I plan on putting some of that aluminized sound deading material in the cavity above the cats to minimize the reasonance in the interior cabin. Also plan on putting a layer beneath the carpeting as well.

I've already done the rear wheel wells and that dramatically cut down the amount of road noise that came in.

By the way, when I took the main factory cats off, the exhaust really got loud.....that's what's cutting down the exhaust sound....not so much the reasonators or the mufflers, in my opinion.

I say go for it.....a Corvette NEEDS to sound like a Corvette!
 
X-pipes equalize back pressure pulses to improve exhaust flow
Ken, Would running dual straight pipes auctally decrease performance due to loss of back pressure? I have a Borla Cat Back System with factory cats and everything else. I'm looking at high flow cats now (wish I could remove them all together but we have emmissions testing here in MD :eyerole

Sounded good at idle, but shook the whole car between 1500 and 3000 rpm. It's hard to drive outside that range.
Dale, What do you mean by it's hard to drive outside the 1500-300 rpm range? Did you loose power or was it something else?

Basically I'm looking for that old muscle car sound, I like how Bob Lutz put it "When you step on the gas it goes graaaaghhh, then as you let off it goes braaaaaaghhh." That's what I want, but I want the power that goes with it, can't lose any!
 
firedawg said:
Ken, Would running dual straight pipes auctally decrease performance due to loss of back pressure?
Most schools of thought accept the idea of one bank of cylinders scavenging the exhaust of the other as a good thing, some prefer the old school of "true dual" exhaust. It's a matter of personal prefernece most of the time.

In the end though, it all boils down to the system as a whole and how you have it set up. If you have a 3-inch exhaust system (given the premise that you have an engine that requires a 3-inch exhaust), you don't want to restrict it with small or otherwise less-than-desirable mufflers. The same applies that if you have a restrictive exhaust pipe (hence the "mandrel bent" trend you see nowadays), no free-flowing cat, muffler, or "X" (or "H") pipe will help you. Either way you'll be stifling the engine's ability to breathe.

As for whether there is a need for backpressure, here again you're going to get differing views on what works best. Some say that a properly tuned motor/exhaust has no need for backpressure and that it only causes a loss of horsepower. The need for "backpressure" should more accurately be termed"a need for gas velocity optimization".

Backpressure is an often misused term. Port velocity is better suited and should probably be used. Simplified, velocity is the rate of change with respect to time. With a poorly designed exhaust, you loose your low speed port velocity, meaning the engine has to use some of its power to "push" the exhaust gases out of the cylinder, leaving room for the fresh intake charge. The idea is to get the exhaust gasses out of the cylinder; backpressure in the exhaust system will prevent complete clearing of the cylinder. There is also a tuning effect of sound waves that cause pressure fluctuations in the pipe and manifold. An engine with higher average backpressure, but properly tuned exhaust where there is a below atmospheric pressure condition at the end of the exhaust stroke, will perform better than an engine with lower average backpressure that happens to be poorly tuned in the exhaust so that the pressure is high at the end of the exhaust stroke, thereby causing residuals to remain in the cylinder. Got that? :L

The easiest (read cheapest) way to quiet an engine is to muffle it with backpressure, but there are systems designed for low backpressure and sound reduction.

Also, a tuned exhaust tends to work best at a certain rpm range, as do tuned intakes. Generally the larger the pipe diameter, the higher rpm for the torque peak and the longer the pipe (within reason) the more torque below the peak, the shorter the pipe, the more torque above the peak.

In the worst case a poorly designed manifold will have pressure from one cylinder beginning its exhaust stroke backing up into another cylinder that is just finishing its exhaust stroke. Any back pressure will push against the crank, reducing power output, and will contaminate the intake charge with what is left in the cylinder, again reducing power output. Torque (and consequently horsepower) are strongly related to volumetric efficency, which is how well the cylinder is filled with fresh fuel-air mixture. Any residual exhaust gasses trapped in the cylinder reduce volumetric efficency.

Rather than more typing (which involves more work), I'll just provide you with some links to information regarding backpressure: Destroying A Myth - "An engine needs backpressure to work correctly." Is this true?, Exhaust Tubing Selection Guide, and one that will provide you with countless hours of reading pleasure, and much worthwhile information, The "Performance Professor", Jim McFarland - Lecture Archives. :CAC
 

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