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Stock Throttle Body

Achilles

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Been trying to find info on what the mm size is for stock throttle body on the 86 vette. Also, is the throttle body for the same year Camaro a direct replacement? And can the stock TB be modified for better performance on a stock (for now) engine? And what are those mods? I've heard the TPIS and BBK TB's are both good, but the smallest I've seen are 52mm. Is this a stock size?

I have to maintain stock, or comparatively stock components on this car for the autocross class I'm in.
 
The stocker should be 48mm and it is capable of flowing more air than the stock motor can handle. The real restriction comes from the intake runners and port size. You could probably do some port matching to clean up the airflow.
 
Yes, stock size is 48mm. Other options for our L98's include the 52mm and I also believe a 58mm throttle body.

However, anything less than a 400 cubic inch displacement would not need a throttle body larger than the stock 48mm.
 
A 52mm BBK feeds my 406 nicely to 6500 rpm.
 
Stock is 48mm, however its already more than the motor can use so going to 52 will be a waste of money.
 
What about that air foil ? Is it worth to buy ? From the looks of it ,it kinda makes sense . But in real ?
 
max said:
What about that air foil ? Is it worth to buy?
No. It has to tickle some science sense in folks to sell any of them.
 
Sheesh . I was reading Ecklers , it is onna every page almost :) Airfoil Airfoil , reshapes air , thus providing more speed bla bla . Got me thinking :)
 
So does anyone know if the Camaro TB is the same as the Vette? I'm thinking it would be easier for me to find a used TB from and F-body to rebuild.
 
max said:
Sheesh . I was reading Ecklers , it is on every page almost :) Airfoil Airfoil , reshapes air , thus providing more speed bla bla . Got me thinking :)
Ya think there is some profit behind that push?

Chickenjerk said:
So does anyone know if the Camaro TB is the same as the Vette? I'm thinking it would be easier for me to find a used TB from and F-body to rebuild.
I expect so, but what is wrong with yours? About all that can go wrong with the TB is unmetered air slipping past the butterfly shaft bushings, due to wear. Any used unit could suffer the same.
 
WhalePirot said:
Ya think there is some profit behind that push?

I expect so, but what is wrong with yours? About all that can go wrong with the TB is unmetered air slipping past the butterfly shaft bushings, due to wear. Any used unit could suffer the same.

That is exactly the problem. The slop in the butterfly bushings could be a third port in the TB.;)
 
I found, ordered and used a kit for my stock throttle bodies which fixed and improved this, as I installed real bushings in place of the merely-drilled-thru-the light-casting sidewall.

Seems the inexpensive kit, came from the Carb Shop (name??) in/near Ontario, CA, which included a drill bit, instructions and bushings, which were easy to press in.

Let me know if you need me to dig thru my thick stack of receipts. I might have it.
 
Thanks Whale. I'll see if I can find such a place. Ontario is about 1 1/2 hours from me...not to far to drive for the right reasons. If I don't have any luck finding it, I'll get back to you.


I'd prefer not to send the TB out....The whole turn around thing. I don't like waiting, ya know?
 
Quote: Ya think there is some profit behind that push?
Well , maybe I trust people too much . Not gonna buy it then :) Thanks . Saved me coupla bucks , Whalepirot. Beer from me . You as I got it a jumbo pilot , that's cool !
I work with planes too , coordinating handling .:)
 
max said:
I work with planes too , coordinating handling .:)
Colol! Not sure I understand exactly what that means, and my job gets much less attractive and more threatened every day. Such is the rapid decline of air transportation in the USA.



From the web: Mention 'lean' and the first thing people think of is that the carb must be providing too little fuel -- especially when the problem goes away when you hold the throttle open a bit wider. But the other half of the equation is air. Rather than too LITTLE fuel, you may be getting to MUCH air. Indeed, this is the common cause of this complaint and for a very simple reason.

At idle-speeds the throttle-plate is almost fully closed. This reduces the flow of air thru the carburetor (and activates the low-speed fuel-delivery circuit) but it also lowers the vacuum in the intake manifold, far lower than when the engine is running at maximum rpm. Under those condition it is quite common for the engine to draw in an excess amount of air -- so-called 'vacuum leaks' -- at the gasketed flange under the carb, through leaky hoses, or where the ends of the manifold attach to the cylinder heads.

AND around the shaft of the throttle plate, if the bore is excessively worn.

You can check for such vacuum leaks by squirting a bit of WD-40 on the suspect areas. If they are leaking, the sound of the engine will change when it sucks in some of the WD-40 (which is mostly kerosene). You'll get a bit of white smoke if the leak is very large.

After 27 years of service I would expect your carburetor's throttle-shaft bore to show considerable wear -- and to be sucking excess air at low rpm. This should be the first thing to check. If the throttle-shaft bore is worn, the proper repair is to install a 'bushing-kit', once standard stuff when there was a VW dealer in every town, now so rare most people have never even heard of such kits. (Hold the throttle full open [ie, with the throttle-plate vertical] and see if there is any play where the shaft passes through the casting of the carburetor body.)

Re-bushing a carb isn't difficult -- nowadays they use metal-filled epoxies to hold the new bushings in place. But if you've never done the job and can't find a bushing kit, you're facing quite a task. For a quick fix, build an external 'seal' around the leaky bore using RTV. When the rubber compound cures, you can still move the throttle (albeit stiffly) but the RTV will greatly reduce -- and often stop -- air being sucked in around the throttle- shaft bore (be sure to do both sides). The other areas where an air leak might occur are easier to repair, the answer being the proper installation of a new gasket, replacement of a hose and so forth.

Chickenjerk said:
I don't like waiting, ya know?
Yeah, I knw the eeling. How long does it take to learn patience, dammit!?!? :)
 
Ahh, it means load control , and turnaround activities coordination . basically you got 2 mobile phones , radio , coupla pens , ruler and ****load of manuals in your head ... DGR and a lotta different stuff :)

Quote : my job gets much less attractive and more threatened every day. Such is the rapid decline of air transportation in the USA.

That's so sad . But I know that good pilot always will be needed .

And to Chickenjerk : :) sorry man for thrashin' your topic a bit :)
 

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