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Been driving my 82 with a TPI motor in it so i thought id ask the forum with the most tpi's.....

Since i finished her and have been driving her shes starting to hesitate alot.... a couple times just plain died. Mostly when either i hit the gas or am coming to a hault and the tranny is kicking down. what are the possible causes in a tpi motor that can cause this. Besides everthing that is in my signature, i have the fuel pressure is set to 48psi, 24# lt1 injectors, lightly hand ported intake, runners, and plenum. The motor is big, and has a little lop to it. HELP!!!!!

Why is she dying on me so much?
 
Has your computer been modified to run the big cam you say you have? let's get a little more into detail of what has been done to the motor. Other wise this could just be a minor problem. :wave
 
computer was reprogrammed and a custome harness was made for me by the same company, AffordibleFI. It was built for my cam, displacement, injector size, heads, etc etc...... what else would you need to know about the motor?

What are the minor problems ;)

btw, what do you guys think my timing should be at? ive heard many things from 10-25+, where should i put it? anywhere below 10 it wont start......
 
The TPI was set at 6*BTDC from the factory, but mine is set at 8*.

I would check things like clogged air filter, ignition system, fuel filter, vacuum leaks.
 
Could it be the fuel pump?
 
Get a good working fire extinguisher for this test. I would start this test with a cold engine. The colder the better. Now simply use either brake, or contact cleaner to the intake plenum parts. Begin with the first metal component that leaves the air cleaner assembly. Spray around that gasket area, with the engine running of course, and work your way back. If you hear the engine rev up, or down with the spray, you found a leak. Just spray at the areas that have gaskets between the components. I kind of doubt you have a split,cracked, or warped metal component. But you shouldn't cancel this out either. It's usually a gasket either mis-matched, or assembled in reverse. I'm the king of installing gaskets in reverse. I speak from experience.
Just keep that spray away from the exhaust headers. Safety is key!!!! No fires!!!
 
found that nasty vac leak, ended up that theplug i had put in the 3/8th hold behind the first set of runners on the drivers side of he bottom intake and cracked the intake itself a little. some jb weld and shes back to normal. After that, the motor quieted down and i could hear a nasty tap. #7 wasnt firing, so checked the plug, fine......... checked fuel, fine........ checked compression, fine....... took off the valve cover and there it was, a broken rocker. luckily it had just spilt in half with no metal shards.......... very lucky. so now im using 1 friends matching crower 1.6 stainless rocker till my set of crowers come in. those cranes couldnt hand the pressure of my springs at high rpm.........

After i got her running again, i tooke her out and tried bringing up the revs and then she shot a code 42........ a spark timing fault.......... anyone know what the solution to this is? i heard a burnt module, but it still starts so it cant be fried......
 
Code 42 is the EST circuit, check all connections between Ignition module and the ECM, or one of those two is bad. I'm betting you just have a wire loose.
 
unplugged, cleaned and re connected and still nothin.. she wont even start now! she will turn over and maybe 5 rev's worth of spark then die off......... bad module maybe?
 
That's my guess too wichita. But let's make sure it's spark. Hook the timing light up to one of the plugs. Hold the trigger down on the timing ligt. Now start the car.

Did the engine turn over, run and you saw the light go out before the engine stopped? Or did the engine stop with the timing light still blinking?

The former, it's spark out. The latter, fuel problem.
 
It wotn even start at all now..... im taking th emodule to get tested her in an hour or so. so we'll see whats up with it then. hopefully its just that.......
 
Ok, went and had the module tested....... all checks were ok. works fine....... so put it back it and nothign....... itll do a couple rev and die..... during this time, the headers get warm... some of them...... could some plugs be fouled? # 7, 2, and 8 are cold....... the others are warm..... bad plugs? cap? i took out the plugs and checked them..... all were clean and i even cleaned them by hand some more....... still...... nothing. help?
 
The trick is to do one thing at a time. First eliminate the spark problem since you're there already. I will expain what should be done first more at the end. Just deduce the ignition problem for a case study. You should have done the test like I told you. You could have eliminated all that disassembly and running around getting things checked. Now take a deep breath and put the timing light on any wire and repeat what I posted before. I want to know if you have spark all the time. This way, you can "eliminate" the distributor. If you get spark all the time when cranking, you can now proceed to the next two variables to make an engine run. Remember the three things needed to make any engine run. They are: Compression - Spark - Fuel. If you have any one of those components missing, you won't get an engine running.
You cannot clean spark plugs by wiping them off. Forget about it. Now you felt each header near the head to feel which is making heat. Pull the plug on the one you think is not firing. Put that plug into the plug wire boot, ground the threaded part to some part of the engine's metal, and have someone crank the engine over while you look at the spark jump to the side electrode. And be very careful you do not, and I mean DO NOT ground that plug anywhere near the spark plug hole you took it out of. The fuel coming out of the plug hole will light you and your car on FIRE! The fuel spray is termendous if you never witnessed it. Cover the hole with a shop rag to capture most of the spray. Keep the spark well away from the hole!!
Now lets study the spark jump. A proper spark will always jump from the center electrode to the side electrode. This is perfect spark. A fouled plug will spark off to the side of the porcelain or jump to the inside of the steel case... where you see the threads, or show no spark at all. These fouling type leaps will never spark the fuel. If you see any "foul" sparks going on like this, simply replace the plug. Cleaning it is a mute point. Toss the plug. Take a new plug out of a box and install it into the plug boot to see how a new plug should fire.
Look under the distributor cap. Are the 8 contacts covered with white powder? This is condensation trapped inside the cap. When the sparks fly inside the dist. cap, this is what will form on the tips when arcing occurs. Screw scrapping the contacts clean. Replace the cap and rotor together with new ones.
It seems you are saying that the plugs looked "clean." If they were wet, it would be a spark problem. If they are dry, it could mean no fuel is happening inside the cylinder chamber.
Did I mention the many variables to each of those 3 parts needed to make an engine run?
Compression alone will show you a little laundry list that will cause no compression: Bent valve. Burnt valve. Valve stuck open. Flat cam lobe (no valve movement). Stuck rings in piston groove. Broken rings in piston groove. Hole in piston dome. Worn ring end gap (wide). See what I mean? The list goes on. The same list of different variables will almost match the same for the other 2 causes for no start.
That's why it's so important to take your time and think things through. Try not to scatter around chasing all the variables of the 3 causes for no start. Eliminate the most important one first.
Always begin with the very first variable. And that is Compression. Charge the batter real good before taking a compression. Now pull all the plugs. This will make the engine spin real easily and save a lot of battery charging. Pull the coil wire, or remove the dist. cap before attempting a compression test. Write down all the readings on each cylinder. They should be at best, 10% of each other. Do this first thing.
Now that you have all the plugs out, install new ones. Torque them. Listen for a "tink" if you happen to angle the wrench wrong and slip. You just broke the porcelain. This will surly mis-fire a cylinder.
Now that you eliminated 2 of the 3 variables, (compression/spark) you can now concentrate on the last one........Fuel.
Again, you should test and make sure you have spark using the timing light procedure before chasing fuel. Hope this helps.
 
I agree with cntrhub in everything but I always start from the easy way to the hardest:

1.- Fuel
2.- Spark
3.- Compression
 
Ok shes alive...... ended up a weak fuel pump that couldnt keep up with the motors demand. which ended up fouling plugs. the cap and rotor had some wear as well so replaced all 3 problems and shes back to normal...... still a little lean however........ 24# injectors should be enough?
 
I am glad you did it, before you you start changing injectors maybe you should try with an adjustable fuel pressure regulator. It can make you save some $
 
already have one, the old pump couldnt keepup with the 48psi apparently........ im glad i got it too =)))
 

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