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DkBG
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Well , right now the antenna is on the workbench in my garage . Has been for about six months . I'll bet that disables it . What do you think? Cliff
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cavettefan
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I wouldn't bet that removal of the antenna disables OnStar. It will certainly reduce the transmission quality and range. But, disable? Don't think so. (Remember, there is a big long cable that connects the OnStar control unit to the antenna....) Try unscrewing the antenna on your cellular phone and see if you can still receive and place calls.
Pac-man,
First of all those Onstar operators have plenty to do and could care less what we are doing. 2nd. Thay cannot contact us unless we push the button or have an accident. The signal has to be acvitated by the vehicle SDM or driver. If your worried about someone listening to you you better get rid of your cellphones & cordless phones. Anyone can listen in on them if they want.
I worked (retired) for GM on this project was back in 1992-3 on Onstar and know how it works. The system cannot be listened into since GM doesnt want to be liable.
First of all those Onstar operators have plenty to do and could care less what we are doing. 2nd. Thay cannot contact us unless we push the button or have an accident. The signal has to be acvitated by the vehicle SDM or driver. If your worried about someone listening to you you better get rid of your cellphones & cordless phones. Anyone can listen in on them if they want.
I worked (retired) for GM on this project was back in 1992-3 on Onstar and know how it works. The system cannot be listened into since GM doesnt want to be liable.
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DkBG
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Hey Cavettefan , you were right . I tried it without the antenna and it worked just fine . Cliff
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schmaltzr
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Having been in software development for 25 years I can tell you that I got laughed at and my wife and I had quite good arguments when I refused to give people my Social Security Number to give blood 10 years ago. Think me paranoid, but our rights for privacy are diminishing by the minute. Just study the Homeland Protection act and you might think twice about the gooberment having your privacy as a priority.
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It's definately not that I'm breaking the law here - I just don't like putting myself into a position that can be abused by law enforcement or the government.
Technically, keeping up with traffic while going a few miles above the posted limit is breaking the letter fo the law. However, it's an abuse of our rights to ignore the spirit of the law and ticket dozens of drivers every minute for doing so. By driving significantly slower than traffic, you're creating a safety hazard that is just as bad as speeding. However, law enforecment around here has no problems handing out photo-radar tickets to block after block of cars that are coming from a traffic light.
True, the government could care less what I do on a day to day basis (except those 4 days a year when tax payments are due). But, if you look closeley, our rights are constatly being eroded away. If you accept one thing, another will come along. Remember, before the patriot act, wire taps were hard to get - now judges can give them out like candy on Holloween. 20 years ago, something like photo radar would have been tossed out in court - now it's the norm. The latest erosion is the attempt here to ticket the OWNER of the car for moving violations - regardless of who was driving. If that takes effect, what happens if my car is stolen and used to commit a major crime - am I now responsible?
Before you think I'm being unreasonable, remember that we live in a world where you can sue because your coffe is to hot. Also, take close look at the next vending machine you see - the yellow stickers will give you a good laugh.
If you're comfortable with the capabilities and potential issues of something like On-Star, then by all means, get it. I, for one, will pass for the time being.
Technically, keeping up with traffic while going a few miles above the posted limit is breaking the letter fo the law. However, it's an abuse of our rights to ignore the spirit of the law and ticket dozens of drivers every minute for doing so. By driving significantly slower than traffic, you're creating a safety hazard that is just as bad as speeding. However, law enforecment around here has no problems handing out photo-radar tickets to block after block of cars that are coming from a traffic light.
True, the government could care less what I do on a day to day basis (except those 4 days a year when tax payments are due). But, if you look closeley, our rights are constatly being eroded away. If you accept one thing, another will come along. Remember, before the patriot act, wire taps were hard to get - now judges can give them out like candy on Holloween. 20 years ago, something like photo radar would have been tossed out in court - now it's the norm. The latest erosion is the attempt here to ticket the OWNER of the car for moving violations - regardless of who was driving. If that takes effect, what happens if my car is stolen and used to commit a major crime - am I now responsible?
Before you think I'm being unreasonable, remember that we live in a world where you can sue because your coffe is to hot. Also, take close look at the next vending machine you see - the yellow stickers will give you a good laugh.
If you're comfortable with the capabilities and potential issues of something like On-Star, then by all means, get it. I, for one, will pass for the time being.
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I've used them twice for keys locked in our Denali.... yes, twice. Sheesh, you'd think I would have learned after the first time. And I use the personal calling feature all the time. Like someone else said, it's a great safety blanket as well. I couldn't really give two hoots if "they" listened to me - in fact, listen away! You don't have to sign up for it, either, if you don't want it.... no harm, no foul.Pac-man said:
tankman
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Going back to an earlier post with the accuracy of GPS. It was said +/- 10 meters. In 2000 military grade signal was approved to be used for the public, so they can tell where you are to +/- 3 feet. The military used this to keep exact tabs on their machines on the battlefield. Onstar has the ability to even turn off your vehicle as you drive and lock the doors trapping you inside if you cant manually unlock the door. THis is really handy if you have your car stolen, but in the hands of the teenage hacker, or a malfunction..........terrible!!
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Don’t listen to Pacman, RedVette. Some are into publicly reprimanding CAC members for expressing their viewpoints. He thinks he speaks for everyone. It’s only a symptom of paranoia.
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I know, my message was meant the other way around...redvett said:
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Even with an enhanced accuracy of a GPS signal (which is a good thing if you are in an accident and are unconscious and the OnStar service center has to automatically dispatch Emergency Services personnel), there is still the matter of who was driving the car at the higher speed. Not withstanding some cities attempts to use speeding as a revenue generator, the U.S. Constitution still (at least at the present time) requires specificity in who gets charged - it is part of that due process requirement....
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EdEd02 said:
A friend of mine works for Onstar & he says that it was a weight consideration at the time. They obviously must have that under control for it to be available now.
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Tom,tproth said:
Thanks for the info. I never thought of the weight factor, but that makes sense. I guess the engineers take weight into account on everything thats put in this car.
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Lee74C3
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Holy Hell!
This thread started with a simple question on why Onstar was not offered on Corvette!
The whole simple truth is simple. There has been no aesthetically antenna or antenna location developed for Corvette (forthcoming C6's excluded). It was decided to wait until the C6 instead of developing an antenna for the C5 and modifying the electrical architecture.
You know back in about 1970 I worked in a GM Dealership. At that time Olds offered a service reminder feature that popped a card out of a small box (like a garage door opener) under the steering column to remind you it was time for an oil change. One gal who was a customer made the allegation that this was a miniature camera taking crotch pictures of her. When she went to the dealership, the film was exchanged. Can you believe it? Maybe today this would happen with all of the perverts out there... but in 1970!
Based on the paranoia, some of you guys should look under the steering column of the car you are driving.
Nobody listens in on OnStar.
This thread started with a simple question on why Onstar was not offered on Corvette!
The whole simple truth is simple. There has been no aesthetically antenna or antenna location developed for Corvette (forthcoming C6's excluded). It was decided to wait until the C6 instead of developing an antenna for the C5 and modifying the electrical architecture.
You know back in about 1970 I worked in a GM Dealership. At that time Olds offered a service reminder feature that popped a card out of a small box (like a garage door opener) under the steering column to remind you it was time for an oil change. One gal who was a customer made the allegation that this was a miniature camera taking crotch pictures of her. When she went to the dealership, the film was exchanged. Can you believe it? Maybe today this would happen with all of the perverts out there... but in 1970!
Based on the paranoia, some of you guys should look under the steering column of the car you are driving.
Nobody listens in on OnStar.
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LOL, I was thinking the same thing. If I had thought my simple question would have raised this much controversy I wouldn't have asked. But what the heck, it's fun reading!Lee74C3 said:
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Blade
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Maybe GM is thinking a Corvette will never give you a problem so why the waste.
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The 'Vette is a sports car. Onstar, Nav, XM radio belong in a Caddy IMO. Big brother is now in your car with these systems if they want to track you.
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Can the system be disabled if so how?BHP said:
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I was reading where the feds wanted to use the onstar system to listen in, after that I don't want the system, I know they can listen in on my cell, and other phones. The goverment needs to be cut back it is too big and stepping on our rights.
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