hey, toms007; thanks for reply. i'm afraid there's been a misunderstanding. i see now that i totally worded my intro incorrectly. while i did go to kcmo to enlist in 1969, i didn't pass the physical due to ruptured cartilage in the knee. my deepest apologies to the members who read that first post. i hope that you are a forgiving bunch. and a big thanks to all who did get in and go.......harleydave