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1967 gas gauge issue

OK, try this, in the sequence described:

1. Check the "S" terminal (pink wire) at the gauge with the key on (with a voltmeter, not a test light) to make sure you have a full 12 volts there (power to the gauge).

2. Check the (pink wire) terminal at the sending unit with the key on (with the voltmeter) to make sure you have a full 12 volts there (power to the sending unit).

3. Turn the key off.

4. Disconnect the tan wire from the sender (note the terminal it comes off of so you don't inadvertently reverse the connections for the tan wire and pink wire), and turn the key on. The gauge should peg to full (infinite resistance). Now use a jumper to ground the still-disconnected tan wire terminal to a good clean frame ground, and the gauge should deflect to empty (zero resistance); if the gauge doesn't peg to full and empty with this test, there's a gauge problem. If it passes these two tests, the gauge and the tan wire from the sender to the gauge are both good.

5. Turn the key off.

6. Remove the black ground connector from the sender and use a VOM to check between the end of that wire and a good clean ground on the frame; you should show zero ohms. If you don't, there's a problem in that ground circuit, which runs forward through the body harness and the multiple connector above the driver's side kickpad where it connects to the instrument panel harness, and finally grounds through the black pigtail that comes out of the 3-cavity radio connector and screws to the bottom of the dash cross-brace with a star washer (this one point grounds EVERYTHING at the rear of the car, including the dome light).

7. If everything checks OK to this point, it's time to check the sending unit. Disconnect all three wires at the sender, and connect a VOM to the two pin terminals on the sender (12V power and gauge terminals). Work the float up and down, and the VOM should read zero ohms with the float all the way down (empty), and 90 ohms with the float all the way up (full), with a smooth, linear progression between the extremes. Apply light sideways pressure to the float arm while doing this to see if the readings change; if the wiper connected to the arm inside the resistor housing on the sender has inadequate tension as it traverses along the wirewound resistor, it can "skip" and show flaky readings.

8. If all these tests are passed and you still get flaky readings, take two aspirin and don't call me in the morning :W

:beer

Trivia: The C2 fuel gauge system is a 3-wire powered Whetstone bridge circuit, that was never used on any other GM car except mid-60's Cadillacs; an "experiment", if you will. They went back to the conventional 2-wire non-powered system used on every other GM car in 1968; so much for the "experiment" :eyerole .
 
JohnZ said:
8. If all these tests are passed and you still get flaky readings, take two aspirin and don't call me in the morning :W

:beer

;LOL

Thanks John, and everyone else. I'll run the additional tests tomorrow evening.

Where'd August go? :cry
 
Great job of describing the test John but would like to add one more step. Do step 7 of John's test again but connect the VOM to the guage terminal (where the tan wire was) and the ground terminal of the sender. Do exactly as John Z has outlined in step 7 but note the resistance change will be reversed: 0 ohms when up (full) and 90 ohms when down (empty). That's the divider part of the circuit. If it's not there - it won't work right.
 
:D Okay I like John's post...

Question though... The quick and the dirty to find if it's the guage or the sender...

Why not just check the sender as Bob did and make sure you have a linear 0-90 ohms. If yes it points to the guage and you just saved yourself 7 steps?? No?? If it's not 0-90 and linear it points to the guage... No?? Just curious on everyone elses point of view.. I just thought it's easier to pull two wires off the sender and measure the resistance... Just me... Geek you were right last time we had an electrical discussion maybe I can be brought back to even on this one...or I guess it'll be double or nothin...:L :upthumbs
 
Hey Dave. The reason you can't just test it like Bob did and call it a done deal is contained in John Z's trivia - it's actually a voltage level system and not just a resistance value that sets the guage level. That's why that second test from the guage terminal on the sender to ground is as important as the one between the guage terminal and the power terminal. As for last time? I got lucky. As my old flight instructor used to say when I did something right- "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut."
Geek
 
Geek's 65 said:
As my old flight instructor used to say when I did something right- "Even a blind squirrel finds a nut."
Geek
Is that anything like "Even a broken clock is right twice a day" like my grandfather used to say? :L

-Mac
 
JohnZ said:
OK, try this, in the sequence described:

1. Check the "S" terminal (pink wire) at the gauge with the key on (with a voltmeter, not a test light) to make sure you have a full 12 volts there (power to the gauge).

CHECK

2. Check the (pink wire) terminal at the sending unit with the key on (with the voltmeter) to make sure you have a full 12 volts there (power to the sending unit).

CHECK

3. Turn the key off.

CHECK

4. Disconnect the tan wire from the sender (note the terminal it comes off of so you don't inadvertently reverse the connections for the tan wire and pink wire), and turn the key on.

CHECK

The gauge should peg to full (infinite resistance).

DIDN'T MOVE

Now use a jumper to ground the still-disconnected tan wire terminal to a good clean frame ground,

CHECK

and the gauge should deflect to empty (zero resistance);

THE GAUGE PEGS TO FULL!!!

if the gauge doesn't peg to full and empty with this test, there's a gauge problem. If it passes these two tests, the gauge and the tan wire from the sender to the gauge are both good.

5. Turn the key off.

CHECK

6. Remove the black ground connector from the sender and use a VOM to check between the end of that wire and a good clean ground on the frame; you should show zero ohms.

CHECK

If you don't, there's a problem in that ground circuit, which runs forward through the body harness and the multiple connector above the driver's side kickpad where it connects to the instrument panel harness, and finally grounds through the black pigtail that comes out of the 3-cavity radio connector and screws to the bottom of the dash cross-brace with a star washer (this one point grounds EVERYTHING at the rear of the car, including the dome light).

I'll stop here so that the collective wisdom of :CAC can analyze the results of #4 above.

P.S. The gauge has been reading correctly for the last two days. :crazy
 
When the guage sees ground it will read full and when it sees nothing it will do nothing. (I missed that when I was reading John's testing - sorry) The reason it won't do anything with the wire removed is that there is no where to sink the current through the guage causing the needle to move. It gets 12VDC on one side and is looking for somewhere to sink current (the sender) on the other. When there is nothing there, no current flows, no needle moves. When it sees a ground on the other hand, it has plenty of current and it deflects the guage all the way over (full).

"Guage has been reading correctly for the last two days" - almost willing to bet it was the ground not being a really good ground on the actual sender and by you going in and moving stuff around, you managed to get the ground back which is everything to that three wire type circuit.
 
and the gauge should deflect to empty (zero resistance);

But.......THE GAUGE PEGS TO FULL!!!

Thanks Geek's 65,

Any additional comments on the above, anyone?

I'm going to watch the gauge, and assuming continued accuracy, you're probably right about the ground issue. If it acts up again, I'll jump to an additional ground source to see if the problem "magically" goes away again.
 
I give I'm double for nothin now...:L I'm glad you corrected your problem Bob.... Dave..
 
And if I had a dime for every time one of you guys has helped me with a problem I would be a rich man!!
 
It's Friday, so I took the afternoon off and went for a 50-mile cruise. After all, the weather is great but summer is slipping away.

The gas gauge is still functioning normally. It does seem as though a bad ground may have been the problem and Geek's 65 guess is correct: "...almost willing to bet it was the ground not being a really good ground on the actual sender and by you going in and moving stuff around, you managed to get the ground back..."

Thanks all.

I'll watch for abnormal behaviour, but it does look like this case is closed. "Book 'em, Dano."
 

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