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Just purchased my first vet. It only took 40 years.
My question is due to a lack of knowledge . The dealer I bought my car from said to use overdrive when at cruising speed. Someone else told me to leave it in overdrive.
Any opinions greatly appreciated!
 
i have a 4+3 in my 88". if your not sure if u should be in overdrive at a certain speed, let the computer shift the car for u. eventually u will know when u should be in low [1-4] or high [5-7].
 
Just purchased my first vet. It only took 40 years.
My question is due to a lack of knowledge . The dealer I bought my car from said to use overdrive when at cruising speed. Someone else told me to leave it in overdrive.
Any opinions greatly appreciated!
 
The option you really need to pay attention to is Keep It Clean I change the fluid and filter every 10,000 miles. If you don't know when the last time it was changed...do it now. It will last longer and shift better. Your OD unit is the big silver unit on the back of the transmision in the pic below.
 
I use the overdrive quite a lot; always have. I use it on and off as a seven speed tranny, even in town.

I believe in DRIVING the car but being easy on it, too. The O/D will drop the revs about 30%, saving fuel and engine wear.

Sometimes I step on the clutch to unload the clutches in it, when en/disengaging it, but it's actually quite a rugged unit. Mine worked quite well for 105k miles, except for control issues, which were totally external to the Nash.

At cruise, I totally recommend engaging it.

Congrats on the buy. Better late than never, 'eh? Welcome to :CAC

:w Mike
 
You don't gain a lot using it on normal roads. Even though the 7 gears are different, they are so close it almost doesn't matter.

In my '87 Z51 car I have the MK2 0.68:1 overdrive unit.

My gear ratios are....

1: 2.88
2: 1.91
2*: 1.30
3: 1.34
3*: 0.90
4: 1.00
4*: 0.68

* = Overdrive On

The non-Z51 cars got the MH5 unit which is a 0.60:1 overdrive and has slightly different gears because of that. Still very close though.

This being said I normally only use OD on the highway. The only time on the street I really use it is for a rolling-start race. There are occassions I'll use it on the street though if I have one hand busy drinking coffee or something. :)
 
OMG!!! YOU actually drink in your Vette:mad OOps sorry, not OT:D
 
You don't really want to be in overdrive at or below a constant 40 mph. The pump on the overdrive unit does not lubricate well at those speeds. I try to only use my overdrive at speeds over 50 mph.
 
As my preference I only use OD on the interstate when I'm driving at interstate speeds,,,, to better the gas mileage and run the car at a lower RPM.
 
I use mine only at highway speeds that keep the revs at or above 2000rpm. That's the magic number I've heard, but there is a lot of misinformation about the 4+3 out there. I also use the clutch to engage or disengage.:Steer
 
I disengage the overdrive for all normal driving because the gearing feels too high with the overdrive and the car has not enough throttle response. I engage it on the highway. I also use the clutch when going into and out of overdrive to shift the wear from the transmission to the clutch. Clutches are cheaper than transmissions.
 
The filter on the OD unit is re-usable you can clean it with solvents, just make sure the O ring is in good shape.
 
My 2 pennies: Leave the OD on all the time. That is the way it is designed to work, and in my opinion it works very well. If I am just cruising around, the computer pops me into OD as soon as I shift from 1st to 2nd. If I am stuffing my foot into it, then the computer takes me out of OD for better acceleration.

No other manual tranny in the world can do this: You are cruising at around 2,000 rpm on the freeway in the fast lane. You come upon some slower traffic. You stab the gas pedal, the OD instantly disengages, your head snaps back, and you make your pass. Settle back into cruise mode and the OD re-engages itself. Your left foot never stopped tapping the floor in time to the music.

Here's another one for you: About two years ago, I came out of the movies with the wife, hopped in the vette, and the clutch wasn't disengaging well enough to shift the gears. (Slave cylinder developed a leak and fluid got too low in the master cylinder and sucked air.) I drove about twenty miles home in second gear, toggling the OD on and off. 2nd gear OD is about like third gear, so cruising the slow lane on the fwy wasn't even a big deal.

Anyway, I don't believe it is necessary to fiddle with the OD button unless you want to... and I am sure that it is unnecessary to use the clutch when turning the OD on and off. The OD unit is basically a 2-speed auto trans, it has its own auto clutch inside it. When you want to accelerate, just floor it... it will jump itself out of overdrive in less than a second, and then it won't go back into overdrive until you reach a steady 4th gear cruising speed. According to the owner's handbook, the OD on/off button is only there for use in special situations. The example they give is if you want extra engine braking in a long, steep downhill.

This is the perfect transmission for me. It combines the fun of a manual with the convenience of an automatic. The bad rap it has comes from two things: first, the early units were buggy and inconsistent. Lots of them were rebuilt under warranty which ****ed off GM, and then lots of them had to be rebuilt after the warrany expired, which ****ed off a lot of vette owners. Second, the fluid needs to be changed regularly or else the OD unit will croak. GM says it must be changed every 30,000 miles, but Gearzone says if you change it every 10,000 miles the OD unit will last forever. Note that for many owners, the first time they thought of changing the fluid was when it died somewhere between 50k and 100k miles.

One last thing: I am told that some vesions of the OD had a very deep overdrive gear ratio. This may explain some owner's habit of turning off the OD at startup, if shifting from 1st to 2nd(with OD) caused their engine to bog down. On mine, shifting from 1st to 2ndOD is very smooth and comfortable. My OD ratio puts me a bit over 2000 rpm at freeway speeds. I love freeway interchanges (cloverleafs) where I am coming out of the 3/4 circle in 2nd gear OD... mash on the gas to merge with traffic and that sucker jumps out of overdrive and takes off like a rocket.

As you can tell, I love the tranny. I wish the C5 had the same kind of thing. Even as nice as the C5 6-speed is, it still is just a 4-speed with two overdrives added on, just like my friend's 89 and my wife's 2001 Camaro SS. I have a 4-speed with an automatic overdrive added on, and that's a lot more fun.

Anyway red88conv, congrats on your new ride. Change that OD fluid and then schedule the next change for about 15,000 miles down the road and you should be fine. And try just leaving that button alone... you can always come out of OD by flooring it!

Dan
 
Dan,

Just a couple of things; 1985 doesn't do any kickdowns in 2nd or 3rd. Also the Z51 cars had a 0.68 ratio overdrive unit while all other cars got 0.60 ratio overdrive units. :)
 
Ouch, no kickdown in 2nd or 3rd on the 85's? and probably the 84's too... That would definitely have me mashing the button sometimes. At least 88redconv won't have to worry about that.

You have confirmed the two different OD ratios... my Z51 must have the .68, and while I sometimes wish I had a deeper overdrive on long freeway journeys, I think the .68 is the better way to go overall.

I got 30mpg across the desert on a recent trip from LA to Las Vegas (28mpg overall for the trip)... that aint too shabby for a thirty-four hundred pound gas-guzzlin' v8! Expecially with the 220lb snack-munching driver.

A friend with an 89 automatic runs about 500 rpm lower than I do but gets about the same mileage. My other friend with an 89 ZF six speed doesn't drive it enough to know his gas mileage!
 
Scorp, I haven't seen anything in the literature that supports only Z51's getting the .68 - several books I have say that there was no rhyme nor reason to what cars got what.
[RICHR]
 
rrubel said:
Scorp, I haven't seen anything in the literature that supports only Z51's getting the .68 - several books I have say that there was no rhyme nor reason to what cars got what.
[RICHR]

I wish I could remember where, but somewhere along the lines I have seen a chart that had all available gear ratios for 84-96 and it showed all Z51 cars getting them.

0.68:1 = MK2 Overdrive
0.60:1 = MH5 Overdrive
 

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