$90.00 In Glue And Counting...Almost As Much As The Carpet...!!!

[Viet Nam Vett]

I'm installing new carpet and underlayment in my 65 Cp. I purchased Al Knoch Carpet and Underlayment. Nice stuff. So I asked my Corvette Restoration Buddy what should I use to stick this stuff down with. He suggested 3M Super Trim Adhisive Spray #08090.

This stuff is around $15.00 per can discounted. The directions suggest 3 coats on each surface.. then a 5 min wait and them jam them to together.

So far I have use 5 cans just getting the Underlayment down...!!! After I installed the back section of the Cp I called and asked if I had to do 3 coats, to which his answer was no..!! One heavy coat should do it. But That's like almost 2 coats.

The Underlayment is very course fiber bottom surface. Maybe that's why I had to use so much. The carpet backing is a vinal type which will mate with the top side rubber Underlayment. Hopefully I won't have to use as much here.


I wanted to make sure that the Underlayment is bonded tight to the floor. With the heat and cold this glue is designed not to break down that's why it's so expensive.

I'm gonna run out tomorrow morring and pick up another 2 cans...$30.00..!! I'll start installing the carpet over the uderlayment Saturday during the Incoming snow storm in my Undies and "T" shirt in my Heated Garage.....Nice...

So that will be a total of $110.00 in Freaken Glue..!!!

What have you used to do this install..??

 

[BarryK]

Mark

we used that glue exclusively when I was doing car audio to put down fabrics and carpets. It's excellent and definately the best for this job.
Yes, the underlayers will use a lot more because the material will absord a lot of it.
On the carpet itself you can get away with a lot less. Just make sure you have a good EVEN coat across the surface being done. Best way is to spray it in one direction that a second time in the other direction on both surfaces and that should be plenty. It's the edges especially that you want to be sure to get real good coverage. On flat, even areas like the rear cargo area floor which is flat you don't need to get carried away using too much at all as it won't take much to hold the carpet in place.
Areas with more contours and at the edges you will want to use it a bit heavier so it holds better.
As I'm sure you already discovered, once that glue dries and you go to place the carpet into position, make sure you get it lined up properly the FIRST time. It's not impossible to pull it back up if needed but it ain't real easy!

Be glad you are doing a C2 and not a C3. I helped my buddy Andy replace the carpet in his C3 in Dec and it was not fun. Just the rear compartment doors alone will make you want to cry like a little girl with a skinned knee!

 

[Fuelie]

So that will be a total of $110.00 in Freaken Glue..!!!

What have you used to do this install..??

Hi VNV,

I have always used the same 3M Adhesive spray. I never used 3 coats though, just one good heavy one on each surface. Never had a problem. Seems to me that it always took about a can and a half to do the carpet, but I couldn't swear to it though.

Have fun, sounds like a great project for a stormy day, holed up in the garage

Take care,
Brian

 

[Viet Nam Vett]

Mark

we used that glue exclusively when I was doing car audio to put down fabrics and carpets. It's excellent and definately the best for this job.
Yes, the underlayers will use a lot more because the material will absord a lot of it.
On the carpet itself you can get away with a lot less. Just make sure you have a good EVEN coat across the surface being done. Best way is to spray it in one direction that a second time in the other direction on both surfaces and that should be plenty. It's the edges especially that you want to be sure to get real good coverage. On flat, even areas like the rear cargo area floor which is flat you don't need to get carried away using too much at all as it won't take much to hold the carpet in place.
Areas with more contours and at the edges you will want to use it a bit heavier so it holds better.
As I'm sure you already discovered, once that glue dries and you go to place the carpet into position, make sure you get it lined up properly the FIRST time. It's not impossible to pull it back up if needed but it ain't real easy!

Be glad you are doing a C2 and not a C3. I helped my buddy Andy replace the carpet in his C3 in Dec and it was not fun. Just the rear compartment doors alone will make you want to cry like a little girl with a skinned knee!

Heh Barry,
Thanks.. Yep I have as you say already found out the tricks as listed above.
I have been adding alot more to the edges then the flat surfaces. I just went out and picked up two more cans. So now I have 3 left to get the carpet down.

I should have enough to finish the job. The guy at Advance Auto store did a double take when he rang up the 2 cans...His reaction was ...Holy S _ _T..!:L

Man..don't want to do this again..Now if my 65 was a Vert it wouldn't be so bad. Climbing around inside the Cp is a pain. Now I have to do it all over again with the carpet...:ugh

 

[BarryK]

try it in a '79 Greenwood Daytona. The C3's are even tighter inside than our C2 coupes!

Have fun

 

[Viet Nam Vett]

Hi VNV,

I have always used the same 3M Adhesive spray. I never used 3 coats though, just one good heavy one on each surface. Never had a problem. Seems to me that it always took about a can and a half to do the carpet, but I couldn't swear to it though.

Have fun, sounds like a great project for a stormy day, holed up in the garage

Take care,
Brian

Heh Brian,
Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who used this adhisive and paid the price. I should have done a post and asked first what to use. But as it turns out seems I got the correct adhisive.

I was kinda bummed tha I spent this much on glue but now I don't feel like I screwed up. I don't mind throwing money at my Vette because I get so much enjoyment form it that it all works out in the wash.

I think that's pretty much the norm on this forum and in general with Corvette owners. Anyway..I'm all set...Got Milk.. Got Strip Steakes.. Got Vegies..Got Bread... And.. Most Important... Got me some Moose Pee for the Snow In.

It's Good to Be The King...

 

[jims427400]

I have a carpet question seeing we're on the topic.In my 67 coupe w/black int. when ever I wipe something up w/ a damp cloth,the cloth turns black.Do you think someone pulled a fast over on me.Or does 40 yr old carpet bleed off like that. Jim

 

[Viet Nam Vett]

I have a carpet question seeing we're on the topic.In my 67 coupe w/black int. when ever I wipe something up w/ a damp cloth,the cloth turns black.Do you think someone pulled a fast over on me.Or does 40 yr old carpet bleed off like that. Jim

Ok Jim....:L ....I think It's time you get your bucks up for some glue like I did and replace that carpet before spring.. ...Cheeeeeeeeeezz 40 Years Old..

 

[2X4's 60]

Weldwood spray adhesive. Same stuff as the 3M but it's $5 a can. Available at any hardware store.

 

[Viet Nam Vett]

Weldwood spray adhesive. Same stuff as the 3M but it's $5 a can. Available at any hardware store.

Rats...!!!..................Too late now...thanks....

 

[studiog]

Here is what an optimist would say.... Even if you used twice a much glue as you really needed thats only $55.00 bucks "wasted" not $110. So don't sweat it. Enjoy the snow, the heated garage, the strip steaks, and the brew, sounds like a Corvette weekend.

 

[Viet Nam Vett]

Here is what an optimist would say.... Even if you used twice a much glue as you really needed thats only $55.00 bucks "wasted" not $110. So don't sweat it. Enjoy the snow, the heated garage, the strip steaks, and the brew, sounds like a Corvette weekend.

Yeah...your right...Since I'm diong it twice..(Underlayment..And Carpet) It's only $55.00.

 

[jims427400]

VNV,
Replacing all my carpet isnt on my list of things for this year.I'm just not going to wipe it down anymore.I think..
Still working on tripowers and timing issues.
And still druelling on Z06s(decisions-decisions)

 

[Viet Nam Vett]

VNV,
Replacing all my carpet isnt on my list of things for this year.I'm just not going to wipe it down anymore.I think..
Still working on tripowers and timing issues.
And still druelling on Z06s(decisions-decisions)

Bag the Carpet....Put a Hold On the Tri Power...Do The ZO6..

 

[IH2LOSE]

I'm installing new carpet and underlayment in my 65 Cp. I purchased Al Knoch Carpet and Underlayment. Nice stuff. So I asked my Corvette Restoration Buddy what should I use to stick this stuff down with. He suggested 3M Super Trim Adhisive Spray #08090.

This stuff is around $15.00 per can discounted. The directions suggest 3 coats on each surface.. then a 5 min wait and them jam them to together.

So far I have use 5 cans just getting the Underlayment down...!!! After I installed the back section of the Cp I called and asked if I had to do 3 coats, to which his answer was no..!! One heavy coat should do it. But That's like almost 2 coats.

The Underlayment is very course fiber bottom surface. Maybe that's why I had to use so much. The carpet backing is a vinal type which will mate with the top side rubber Underlayment. Hopefully I won't have to use as much here.


I wanted to make sure that the Underlayment is bonded tight to the floor. With the heat and cold this glue is designed not to break down that's why it's so expensive.

I'm gonna run out tomorrow morring and pick up another 2 cans...$30.00..!! I'll start installing the carpet over the uderlayment Saturday during the Incoming snow storm in my Undies and "T" shirt in my Heated Garage.....Nice...

So that will be a total of $110.00 in Freaken Glue..!!!

What have you used to do this install..??

Forget the cost of glue its probably going to cost you double that to run the heat, i am so cheap,I have not fired up the ol garage heater once this year

 

[Paranoid]

Don't think GM would have spent that much on carpet glue.

 

[ChuckG]

I have a carpet question seeing we're on the topic.In my 67 coupe w/black int. when ever I wipe something up w/ a damp cloth,the cloth turns black.Do you think someone pulled a fast over on me.Or does 40 yr old carpet bleed off like that. Jim

I'd take a guess that somewhere along the line, somebody freshened up the appearance of the carpet with spray dye. I think that's what you're seeing when you wipe the carpet with a wet rag.

I've done this myself a few times on my 63 with a black interior. Chuck

 

[JL66REDCPE]

Mark -- I also use the same glue. Have had good results. Yep it is expensive - but it works.

 

[stepinwolf]

This has " been " the very best way in the past

Mark, in the future, forget about the spray on adhesive. You can purchase a much better quality contact adhesive in a can from " LePage ", and with a few 1$ throw away brushes, complete the job with a total expense of less then 15$. The use of the brush will also guarantee that you will not be applying any overspraw to other parts of the car. Another thing you might want to consider in the future, along with the contact adhesive is one of those cheap hot-glue guns.

Not as a replacement , but rather an additional tool, to be used in addition to the contact adhesive. These little guns have proven in the past to be an excellent choice for certain small areas, and places where there are sharp bends or folds in the material. They are also an excellent choice to hold down the assorted wiring harnesses that run under the carpet.

I always use both, and have never experienced any problems in more then 25 years of carpet installation. By the way, the contact adhesive in a can is the only type of glue the upholstery shops use in the headliners, because nothing else holds up as well to the abuses.

Stepinwolf

 

[BarryK]

Bob
Not trying to be foolish and "argue" or "debate" you because I'll always bow to your expertise and experience same as I would to others such as JohnZ, John McGraw, and many others on here. You will know more about working on these cars and how to do it correctly more than I ever will.
Overall I agree wholeheartly with you that some other types of contact glue ARE better and stronger and typically they come in a can to be brushed on or rolled on as you describe. For someone such as yourself who tend to work on a lot of cars, whether they be your own or for customers, those other glues do make much more sense and are more cost effective to use. It's a very valid point and one woth making as you did.
I think though (and god knows I'm wrong way too often), that for others like most of us that are maybe going to change out a carpet in our car(s) once, maybe twice in our lives, the spray adhesives do a fine job. Granted, it can get more expensive but for only having to do the job once and not lots of times in car after car a few times a year I think the convience of the spray glue makes the job easier for most of us. In the vast majority of cases it's plenty strong for most of our uses (yes, headliners are a bit of a different case than carpet) and the spray form makes it easier and more convienent to use.
i've found the spray pattern out of the can to be pretty easy to control with overspray and if you get a little careless and get some overspray on other areas it's easily cleaned up with the 3M adhesive remover.

I've used the glue in the cans before and it's excellent stuff no question about it, but I just find, personally, that on jobs that I don't need to do many times the ease of the spray glue makes it go faster and easier and that tends to override any little cost savings.
If someone needs to adhere items using contact glue a lot and often, than obsolutely the cost effectiveness of the canned glue is well worth it as the cost savings become very significant.

just my useless $.02 on this