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ASR and Wheel Spin

jcs44

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With the ASR on, about how much wheel spin should you get? I keep my tire pressure at 34-35lbs all around and getting on it but without just flooring it and dumping the clutch, I get a brief chirp and then just pure traction. What should I expect with the ASR off?

JCS44
LT4 Vert, Blk/Blk
 
Your system seems to be working fine. With ASR off you will get a lot of wheel spin and tire smoke with stock tires if ya dump the clutch, lanuch rpm should be around 1500-1800. ASR off is the perfered position for auto-Xing or drag racing.
 
jcs44 said:
What should I expect with the ASR off?

JCS44
LT4 Vert, Blk/Blk

I automatically shut mine off every time I start the car (habit)...like it much better that way! :bu

Be careful though cuz she can get away from you real quick (especially in the rain-which is about the only time I occasionally ;) leave it on).
 
If you have really good traction, it won't kick in at all... you can tell it is working because it pushes your foot off the gas... the tires will spin a tiny bit, then bite with it on.
 
With ASR on, I can get about 5-6 feet or rubber down before the ASR gets it under control and that's if I dump at the clutch at 5000. With ASR off, I can smoke them pretty good.

If you decide to turn ASR off all the time and the streets are dry and clean of dirt, gravel and oil, you shouldn't have any problems. If you catch a greasy spot, a puddle, a patch of dirt and gravel or just a rough spot on the road while you're accelerating pretty hard, it may break loose. Nothing a sharp driver can't handle if you're ready for it. I leave ASR on except when I think I need it off - ASR does slow the car down some compared to having it off. For first time autocrossing (SOLO for you SCCAers), I recommend leaving it on until you get good enough for it to start intruding in your going faster.
 
Tuna said:
I leave ASR on except when I think I need it off .

I used to do that but after getting on it a couple of times and going "what the @#$!?" I decided screw this. Couldn't remember to shut it off at the appropriate time.

Define appropriate time? Well...
 
JEFNLSA said:
I used to do that but after getting on it a couple of times and going "what the @#$!?" I decided screw this. Couldn't remember to shut it off at the appropriate time.

Define appropriate time? Well...

To each his own.

Appropriate time:
- When I pull up to the starting lights for any race.
-- BTW, I actually leave it on when I do open road runs - maximum traction from the start isn't necessary.
- When the car next to me 'looks and/or sounds' like I might want all the go she has - not often (enough).

Besides it does save on tire wear and Pilot Sport 315's ain't cheap.
 
Tuna said:
To each his own.

Appropriate time:-
- When the car next to me 'looks and/or sounds' like I might want all the go she has - not often (enough).


Besides it does save on tire wear and Pilot Sport 315's ain't cheap.

For the 1st part...That's what I'm talkin' about and I don't want to get stuck in a "bog".

2nd...On the tires...I hear ya but boy they look good. I'd love to upsize myself but that would mean a wheel swap as well and I've "plunged" as deep as LSA is allowing me to (for now ;)).

I'm not saying that I smoke the tires on a regular basis (I've done 2 smokin' burnouts since I got it (07/04) but I've had the "guvnah" kick in a couple of times when I didn't want it to and that kinda spooked me on the whole ASR thing.

Believe me back when I was young & reckless (last week :L) I would have killed myself in this car, especially w/o ASR!
 
I turned it off in my LT4 when I started it up . . .

Before I started doing this the ASR almost got me in trouble several times. It would shut the engine down when I needed her to go go go :bu

Later . . . . . .
6 Shooter
 
My experience with the ASR systems (92, 96, 98, 2003, and CTS) is that the original C4 systems were a little too quick to jump in and took a little too long to let go but the newer systems have better programming and let you burn a lot more rubber off without being really annoying. Now if the road is wet and patchy, it can get really annoying but on dry stuff, it's not too bad. In fact, since adding 80ish HP to my old 92, the ASR doesn't seem to be as annoying when it kicks in. Hib said something about that in another thread and I'm starting to see his point.
 
ASR v. "stabilitrak"

I was under the impression that my 96 LT1 ASR was similar to "positraction", but it is not. I still have a locker rearend, and I thought that ASR merely reduced the throttle input (as you take off from a dead stop) to minimize the rear end from slidding all over the road (I can do that myself by just getting off the gas). But as I read different posts and references to auto-cross, I'm beginning to think the ASR also functions while underway at speed. Does it fire the brakes at all 4 corners like the stabilitrak on my new Surburban, or just the 2 rear brakes?

Have I got this backwards? Any help would be appreciated!
 
DMGroh, I think you are refering to Active Handling (AH), not ASR.





The first time I experienced my ASR I was entering a highway that had a tractor trailer leading a bunch of vehicles coming toward me in the direction I wanted to go. No problem, I think. As I leave out of the station, at an angle across the drainage hump, I apply gas quickly. The car accelerated and then broke loose in front of the semi as the gas pedal went limp and the vette slowed for what seemed to be an eternity. Luckily, I still had room to recover and accelerate once again away from the fast approaching semi.

I always turn off the ASR.
 
DMGroh said:
I was under the impression that my 96 LT1 ASR was similar to "positraction", but it is not. I still have a locker rearend, and I thought that ASR merely reduced the throttle input (as you take off from a dead stop) to minimize the rear end from slidding all over the road (I can do that myself by just getting off the gas). But as I read different posts and references to auto-cross, I'm beginning to think the ASR also functions while underway at speed. Does it fire the brakes at all 4 corners like the stabilitrak on my new Surburban, or just the 2 rear brakes?

Have I got this backwards? Any help would be appreciated!


The limited slip rearend is different from the ASR. The function of the limited slip is to transmit more equal power to both wheels. For example if you load up your trans on the brakes at a stop (ASR off of course) and then pop off the brake, you will leave two black strips on the ground as the tires spin. With a non-limited slip rearend you would leave only one black strip because the open differential transmits the power to only one wheel.

The ASR on the '96 (I'm not sure about other years) will close the throttle as well as modulate the rear brakes. Since the pump for the brake system is in the compartment right behind the drivers seat you can hear it operate. Just start a turn in first gear and stand on the gas (ASR on this time) you will get some initial tire spin then you will feel the throttle pedal pushing on your foot, at the same time you can hear the brake pump kick in.

And yes it will work at any speed, every once and a while I will forget to turn the damn thing off when I head out on the track and a couple of corners later and whatever speed, it will wack me in the foot.

Cheers,

Lawrence
 
DMGroh said:
I was under the impression that my 96 LT1 ASR was similar to "positraction", but it is not. I still have a locker rearend, and I thought that ASR merely reduced the throttle input (as you take off from a dead stop) to minimize the rear end from slidding all over the road (I can do that myself by just getting off the gas). But as I read different posts and references to auto-cross, I'm beginning to think the ASR also functions while underway at speed. Does it fire the brakes at all 4 corners like the stabilitrak on my new Surburban, or just the 2 rear brakes?

Have I got this backwards? Any help would be appreciated!

"ASR" (acceleration slip regulation--a dumb name) is "traction control". If is not "positraction" (Chevrolet's older trademark name for limited slip differentials).

ASR reduces rear wheel spin in a three-tiered manner.
1) spark retard
2) throttle opening reduction.
3) rear brake application (below 40mph only).

ASR on 92-96 does not operate the front brakes, only the rears. Also, ASR is not a stability enhancing device, ie: it does not use rear differential braking to control yaw, it only applies both rear brakes to control wheel spin.

On slippery surfaces, ASR can react to wheelspin and control is faster then most drivers can react.

Tuna mentioned some posts I have made in the past about C4 ASR and modified engines. The nature of technology in the early 90s, when that system was introduced, is that it is part digital and part analog. That, coupled with the software technology of the time, has the first gen. ASR unable to adapt to engines with significantly higher torque output. The result is that, on an engine with, say 15-20% more power, when ASR works, it's going to feel less invasive and its "threshold" will seem higher. When my 95 ZR-1 was stock, the ASR's OE cal. was, IMO, quite aggressive and many others who wrote about Corvette in the late C4 era felt the same way. Admittedly, it's understandable that GM would do ASR that way the first time because it was such new technology in the early-90s. Now, with my LT5 at about the 500hp level, ASR is actually more useful in controlling wheelspin during hard acceleration. In fact, in all but dragstrip starts, I leave it on and....just floor it. In good air, the car will fry the tires right about where the engine gets peak torque and then, ASR steps-in and takes out just enough spark or throttle to stop the wheelspin but not bog the motor.
 
Thanks, Hib. The ASR is exactly what I originally thought. The advantage of a locker (positraction...sorry, it's my age) is it helps get you out of the mud with both wheels driving. The disadvantage is (personal experience) on a high-crown icy road. With too much throttle, both rear wheels are spinning and the back end of the car slides sideways into the ditch.
 
Brand new owner

Hey gang,
This might seem like a very stupid question but like I said I'm a new vette owner. I just bought a 1996 Convertible ..it's an automatic and I'm not exactly sure how the ASR works but with it both on or off when I pound on the gas I don't seem to get any rubber at all? Is this normal? I'm not particularly complaining but I want to ensure there is a problem. I kind of expected to be able to "light it up" occasionally. The car seems to run perfect though.
Thanks for any input
Cheers
 
Put your left foot on the brake and and give it enough gas to get to about 3000 RPM. That should light them up! :D
 
No doubt!! lol
But is it normal for the automatic not to squawk em' from a dead start?

Thanks again
 

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