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I contacted the McGard folks and told them about my buzzing vibration at 80 and above. They asked me about the type of nuts on the wheels. I told them they were the OE pieces which are a small nut with a thin, stainless steel overlay.

While I was on the phone with McGard, I was looking closely at the stock nut. What a cheap piece of junk, I thought. You'd think, on a car the price of a Z06, GM would at least use better quality wheel nuts and give the customer a set of locks. Heck, those big-dollar wheels and and their Pilot Sport Cup tires having no locks….I might as well write "Hey–steal me!" on the wheels in white paint.

John Mondo, McGard spokesperson, told me that it was likely the wheel locks causing the vibration, since they were chrome-plated solid steel, longer than the OE units and, quite a bit heavier. He suggested using a heavy-duty, McGard wheel nut kit (PN 64012) the nuts in which are solid steel and have about a mass close to that of the wheel locks.

But, this got worse before it got better. Until now, I've removed one nut on each wheel off to install a wheel lock. When I went to remove the other four nuts on the right rear, I found two wheel studs were stripped. The car is only 15 months old and the nuts on the studs in question had never been off so there must have been either defective studs or defective nuts.

I had the two studs replaced under warranty, the McGard wheel nuts installed and the McGard locks reinstalled.

The vibration was gone.


A tip of the hat to McGard for its great products and good customer service.
 
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I contacted the McGard folks and told them about my buzzing vibration at 80 and above. They asked me about the type of nuts on the wheels. I told them they were the OE pieces which are a small nut with a thin, stainless steel overlay.

While I was on the phone with McGard, I was looking closely at the stock nut. What a cheap piece of junk, I thought. You'd think, on a car the price of a Z06, GM would at least use better quality wheel nuts and give the customer a set of locks. Heck, those big-dollar wheels and and their Pilot Sport Cup tires having no locks….I might as well write "Hey–steal me!" on the wheels in white paint.

John Mondo, McGard spokesperson, told me that it was likely the wheel locks causing the vibration, since they were chrome-plated solid steel, longer than the OE units and, quite a bit heavier. He suggested using a heavy-duty, McGard wheel nut (PN ) which is solid steel and has about the same mass as the wheel locks.

But, this got worse before it got better. Until now, I've removed one nut on each wheel off to install a wheel lock. When I went to remove the other four nuts on the right rear, I found two wheel studs were stripped. The car is only 15 months old and the nuts on the studs in question had never been off so there must have been either defective studs or defective nuts.

I had the two studs replaced under warranty, the McGard wheel nuts installed and the McGard locks reinstalled.

The vibration was gone.


A tip of the hat to McGard for its great products and good customer service.


Thanks for the update. Very interesting. You did not by chance weigh the lock nut vs. the stock? Being so close to the central axis I am a little surprised.

McGard should put an asterick on the package when they sell just the 4 lockers or at least a web page with a FAQ noting the possibility of a vibration.

After I used an air gun on the stock z16 nuts (remove only) they got so beat up I tossed them, they are cheap junk not worthy of the rest of the car.

:)
 
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I posted that while on a road trip.

When I get back to the shop, I'm going to post the weights of the nuts and the part numbers...probably tomorrow.
 
Stock wheel nut: 1.77-g
McGard wheel nut: 1.90-g
McGard lock: 2.17-g

You'd think the .4-g difference between the OE nut and the McGard lock wouldn't make a difference, but in my subjective observation, above 80-mph, the difference causes a high-frequency "buzzing" vibration, similar to that of an out-of-balance driveshaft.
 
Stock wheel nut: 1.77-g
McGard wheel nut: 1.90-g
McGard lock: 2.17-g

You'd think the .4-g difference between the OE nut and the McGard lock wouldn't make a difference, but in my subjective observation, above 80-mph, the difference causes a high-frequency "buzzing" vibration, similar to that of an out-of-balance driveshaft.

I pick up "clag" on the track (on my tires or inside the rim) that's weighs more than that difference, never notice it.

You must have a fine tuned butt.

:D
 
I pick up "clag" on the track (on my tires or inside the rim) that's weighs more than that difference, never notice it.

You must have a fine tuned butt.

:D

I don't know how well it's tuned but it sure is fat.
 
Well...the darn HVAC started giving me trouble, again, so I took the car to my dealer, Graham Chevrolet in Santa Barbara CA. If you’re a regular reader of this blog, you know I had the A/C quit in Las Vegas earlier this summer. I had it into Graham right afterwards and they couldn’t find a leak so they evacuated and recharged the system along with putting some dye in with the refrigerant.

Last week the A/C clearly was not working properly. This time, using a Kent-Moore Halogen Leak Detector (PN J 39400-A) which senses the presence of R134a refrigerant, they detected leakage on the passenger side of the interior. The diagnosis was a probable failed evaporator core.

Uh-oh
That's bad news because to replace that on a C6 requires a complete disassembly of dashboard and instrument panel along with removal of the engine's intake manifold. We're talking a lot of labor and lots of potential for mistakes.

The one issue that really has me loosing sleep at night over this is when I work on our Corvettes, I am under no constraints as far as time and costs. I get the job done right no matter how long it takes. Having that attitude in the dealership environment sometimes isn't practical, so I hope Graham's technicians are at the top of their game when they start putting the Blue Bullet II back together. Now that statement begs the question: then why don't fix it yourself if your so freakin' particular? Well, I get real practical when I look at the labor involved in the job and remember that car is still under warranty. Guess I'll just have to take a chill-pill.

If this HVAC debacle isn't enough two weeks ago, I was putting a set of McGard Wheel Locks and Lug Nuts on the car (see my earlier post on that) and found two wheel studs on the right rear were stripped. WTF!! That wheel had never been off the car so something–the threads on the stock lugs looked problematic to me–was defective So, I'm also having those two studs replaced under warranty.

Ya know…I've been pretty understanding with GM so far but, really…I've never had so much trouble with a GM vehicle. In the last 25 or so years I've owned: '88 Chevy Beretta, '95 ZR-1, '01 Camaro and an 04 Z06 and none of those cars were nearly as much of a warranty problem as has been my '12 Z06.

You'd think the next to last model year of a platform in production since 2005 would have resulted in a bullet-proof product, but, clearly–with a junk HVAC evaporator and crap wheel studs–that wasn't the case, here.

For the sake of all my Corvette brethren in the current feeding frenzy to order C7s, I hope GM gets a handle on some of this quality stuff.
 
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Well...the darn HVAC started giving me trouble, again, so I took the car to my dealer, Graham Chevrolet in Santa Barbara CA. If you’re a regular reader of this blog, you know I had the A/C quit in Las Vegas earlier this summer. I had it into Graham right afterwards and they couldn’t find a leak so they evacuated and recharged the system along with putting some dye in with the refrigerant.

Last week the A/C clearly was not working properly. This time, using a Kent-Moore Halogen Leak Detector (PN J 39400-A) which senses the presence of R134a refrigerant, they detected leakage on the passenger side of the interior. The diagnosis was a probable failed evaporator core.

Uh-oh
That's bad news because to replace that on a C6 requires a complete disassembly of dashboard and instrument panel along with removal of the engine's intake manifold. We're talking a lot of labor and lots of potential for mistakes.

The one issue that really has me loosing sleep at night over this is when I work on our Corvettes, I am under no constraints as far as time and costs. I get the job done right no matter how long it takes. Having that attitude in the dealership environment just wouldn't work so I hope Graham's technicians are at the top of their game when they start putting the Blue Bullet II back together.

If this HVAC debacle isn't enough two weeks ago, I was putting a set of McGard Wheel Locks and Lug Nuts on the car (see my earlier post on that) and found two wheel studs on the right rear were stripped. WTF!! That wheel had never been off the car so something–the threads on the stock lugs looked problematic to me–was defective So, I'm also having those two studs replaced under warranty.

Ya know…I've been pretty understanding with GM so far but, really…I've never had so much trouble with a GM vehicle. In the last 25 or so years I've owned: '88 Chevy Beretta, '95 ZR-1, '01 Camaro and an 04 Z06 and none of those cars were nearly as much of a warranty problem as has been my '12 Z06.

You'd think the next to last model year of a platform in production since 2005 would have resulted in a bullet-proof product, but, clearly, that wasn't the case, here.

For the sake of all the folks in the current feeding frenzy to order C7s, I hope GM gets a handle on some of this quality stuff.


Sorry for the news, starting to sound like the lemon 2007 328i Coupe I had, but you've got a way to go. Keep us posted. Not to be negative, but I have never had a Vette repaired at a dealer (or for that matter independent) where they haven't either caused collateral damage (which I would discover & make them fix) or it had to be done over. Techs who really CARE about what they do are few and far between. I know there are some out there & God Bless them, most aren't worth 1/2 what they bill for.

Keep us posted.

Good luck.
 
Well...the darn HVAC started giving me trouble, again, so I took the car to my dealer, Graham Chevrolet in Santa Barbara CA. If you’re a regular reader of this blog, you know I had the A/C quit in Las Vegas earlier this summer. I had it into Graham right afterwards and they couldn’t find a leak so they evacuated and recharged the system along with putting some dye in with the refrigerant.

Last week the A/C clearly was not working properly. This time, using a Kent-Moore Halogen Leak Detector (PN J 39400-A) which senses the presence of R134a refrigerant, they detected leakage on the passenger side of the interior. The diagnosis was a probable failed evaporator core.

Uh-oh
That's bad news because to replace that on a C6 requires a complete disassembly of dashboard and instrument panel along with removal of the engine's intake manifold. We're talking a lot of labor and lots of potential for mistakes.

The one issue that really has me loosing sleep at night over this is when I work on our Corvettes, I am under no constraints as far as time and costs. I get the job done right no matter how long it takes. Having that attitude in the dealership environment sometimes isn't practical, so I hope Graham's technicians are at the top of their game when they start putting the Blue Bullet II back together. Now that statement begs the question: then why don't fix it yourself if your so freakin' particular? Well, I get real practical when I look at the labor involved in the job and remember that car is still under warranty. Guess I'll just have to take a chill-pill.

If this HVAC debacle isn't enough two weeks ago, I was putting a set of McGard Wheel Locks and Lug Nuts on the car (see my earlier post on that) and found two wheel studs on the right rear were stripped. WTF!! That wheel had never been off the car so something–the threads on the stock lugs looked problematic to me–was defective So, I'm also having those two studs replaced under warranty.

Ya know…I've been pretty understanding with GM so far but, really…I've never had so much trouble with a GM vehicle. In the last 25 or so years I've owned: '88 Chevy Beretta, '95 ZR-1, '01 Camaro and an 04 Z06 and none of those cars were nearly as much of a warranty problem as has been my '12 Z06.

You'd think the next to last model year of a platform in production since 2005 would have resulted in a bullet-proof product, but, clearly–with a junk HVAC evaporator and crap wheel studs–that wasn't the case, here.

For the sake of all my Corvette brethren in the current feeding frenzy to order C7s, I hope GM gets a handle on some of this quality stuff.




I know what you are saying, there is a lot of room for error in a job that big. GM (as well as other manufacturers) doesn't pay enough labor time under warranty to do the job properly, and it can show in the repair at times. It is up to each technician to hold their integrity in check, and do the job properly. Hopefully you get one of those tech's. Good luck with it. :)
 
Hi Hib,

Looks like you have been through a lot with your '12 Z, good and bad! If you have not already spoken to Customer Care, I would like to help! Please private message me with your information including VIN, mileage and the name of the dealership you are working with primary. I would like to get a case started for you and get everything documented in my system. I look forward to your reply,

Kelly J.
Chevrolet Customer Care
 
Between being busy at the office and at home getting the Blue Bullet II ready for the next road trip, I haven't had a chance to make a post to the BB Blog but...here we go:

First, let me say that I appreciated "Kelly J.'s" willingness to help out, but I decided I could get my local dealer to address the issue without asking Chevy Customer Service for assistance and, as I had expected, Graham Chevrolet in Santa Barbara, California addressed all my outstanding warranty issues.
:thumb

They replaced the HVAC evaporator core. Upon disassembly, there was evidence that the core had been leaking. Graham had put a dye in the compressor lubricant the first time I went in with the problem and, upon partial disassembly of the passenger side of the interior, they found dye residue on the bottom of the evaporator core housing. I looked at the old part and, while there is no visible crack or dye residue, I'm sure, if I had the old part pressure tested, it would leak. Why was there no dye residue on the core itself? I'm told that the dye is water soluble and, because there is moisture in the interior of the evaporator housing, the dye gets diluted and washed away down the moisture drain. That's why Graham's guys found it on the outside of the evap. housing and not in the inside

They also replaced the two stripped wheel studs on the right rear hub.

Graham even advised me of a TSB on an exterior plastic part at the base of the windshield that needed to be replaced.

The day I picked up the car from Graham after the HVAC repairs a quick road test proved the HVAC was nice and:cool!:. But, on the way home, the coolant pump started making noise and, this time, kept doing it. I know that sounds dumb but, from time to time for the list few months, I'd hear a noise–sort of a whirring–coming from the front of the engine. It would come and go and I knew it was coming from either the belt tensioner or the coolant pump. Twice I heard it and thought, when I get home to the shop, I'm going to get my stethoscope and listen. I'd get back to the shop and the noise has stopped.:mad

Well, this time it didn't stop. I rolled the car in the shop, ran over to the closet where I have all the diagnostic tools and grabbed my KD Stethoscope and, sure enough, the coolant pump bearing was howling like some kind of wounded animal. I headed right back to Graham, gave 'em my 'scope and said, "Quick listen to it."

They did and agreed. The coolant pump bearing was toast.

Only problem was, there were no LS7 water pumps in the western U.S. Graham had to order one from MI and have it FedEx'ed overnight it to CA. It arrived Friday morning, Graham replaced it that day and we left on our road trip Sunday morning at oh-dark-thirty.
:thumb

Also last week, because I figured this road trip would take us to places where we'd get rained on, I took the Pilot Sport Cups off and replaced them with tires having full treads...good choice as you'll see in a bit. I did that Thursday before taking the car back to Graham Chevy for the coolant pump replacement. I pulled the wheels myself because I'm always nervous about those carbon/ceramic brake discs...even with the factory rotor protectors I have, and took them to Woolever's Tire Shop for mounting/balancing.

As for the road trip?

The first part was a vacation run from Goleta down to Corpus Christi, Texas for the "Vettes and Jets on the Lex" show. This is a benefit car show for the "Wounded Warrior Project". The "Vettes and Jets on the Lex" organization, the Corvette Club of South Texas with the non-profit which owns the U.S.S. Lexington (the second "Lex", a late WW2/Korean War era, decommissioned Essex Class aircraft carrier) get together and hoist 300 or so Corvettes onto the Lex's flight deck for a two day car show. My Wife, the Fairest Sandra the Red, Duchess of Goleta has been wanting to do "Vettes on the Lex" for a number of years. Joining us for the trip were another couple from our Corvette Club in a Silver '08 Coupe.

The second part of the trip is the "PreRun4" trip where my Wife and I are running part of the 2014 Caravan route in reverse from Amarillo TX back to California. We'll makes stops to do Caravan organizing and planning work in Adrian TX, Albuquerque NM and Williams AZ.

The first day of the trip took us from Santa Barbara, to Tucson AZ and we stayed at a great hotel called the "Lodge on the Desert". It was a great hotel with reasonable rates, great rooms and really good service. On the way down to Tucson we got rained on for most of the last part of the trip, but...the serious rain came the next day, on the way to Fort Stockton TX. We were on a secondary road near the Guadalupe Mountains when we got into heavy rain. Good thing I switched tires, that's for sure!

We had originally planned to drive a scenic loop in Guadalupe Mountains National Park but by the time we got there, it was too late for that, so we went south on TX SR54 headed back to I-10. About 30 miles south of the junction between US180 and TX54, we were in the rain, running about 70mph and figuring we were just on the leading edge of the storm.

Wrong!

The mountains to our right were really getting rain and some of the ditches or gulches or whatever carries the "flash flood" run off were pretty deep in water.

We found one which was about four inches deep. Oops.:eek

My pal, Bob, in the other car was leading and he disappeared in a huge splash of muddy water and steam. No way could I stop. There was just enough time for me to step on the brake, feel ABS working and say to Sandy, "Hope he didn't stop". Well–we half surfed and half hydroplaned across the flowing water in a huge splash. As I came out of the spray I saw Bob ahead of me in the same place he was before. Guess we were lucky. When we got down to I-10 we stopped for gas. I opened the hood to find dried mud residue on top of the engine and everywhere under the hood

I know you waxers are probably cringing but...I buy these cars to drive them. As far as the mud? That's why i own a pressure blaster. Guess what I'll be doing when I get back to CA? Clean up a big mess.:(

We overnighted in Ft. Stockton TX which is not a very attractive town unless you are a cattle rancher or an oil man. From the looks of the amount of shuttered businesses there, though in general the Texas economy is doing well, the area around Ft. Stockton might be suffering a bit.

But, believe it or not, Ft. Stockton Texas has a very important place in Corvette history. On March 2 1990, a 1990 Corvette ZR-1, driven by a team of seven drivers and fielded by Morrison Development, set the 24-hour speed record at 175.885 mph. The car was stock except for open exhaust, a calibration chip tuned for a non-emissions open exhaust application, removal of the rear stabilizer bar, installation of 3.07 rear gears, special Goodyear Racing Eagle tires on Dymag wheels, a roll cage and several hundred pounds of spare parts. For more information on the ZR-1 Record Run s

Why Ft. Stockton? Well, west of the town Firestone (now owned by Bridgestone) had a massive tire testing facility with an 8-mile, low-banked oval track. Back in the early 90s it was one of the few places in North America where a record attempt for speed over 24-hours could be staged.

The record stood for ten years. Interestingly, Volkswagen now holds the "24" at a little over 200-mph but the VW folks could use any car they actually make to set it. VWs record is held by a prototype race car which was built specifically for setting the 24-hour speed record. For more information on the ZR-1 Record Run see: ZR-1 NET Registry > Information > Performance Records > World Records

After a night in Ft. Stockton, we're now in San Antonio for two days of eating, drinking an hanging out at one of our favorite spots, the San Antonio River Walk. It's a wonderful collection of good hotels, great places to eat and fun places to drink.

Last night, we were sucking up beers at Dick's Last Resort (Dick’s Last Resort) which is just a great club if you like to drink a lot and have tons of fun. Dick's is within easy walking distance of our hotel. Also, last night, we had tickets for "Taste of the River Walk" which is one of those gigs where you go around to a bunch of different restaurants and bars to sample their food and drink. Standouts, in my opinion, were Dick's Last Resort (great pulled pork sliders), Howl at the Moon (interesting red and blue drinks and great music) and the Iron Cactus, (great gourmet tacos and drinks).

We finished the night at the bar in the basement of the Drury Inn adjacent to the River Walk, talking with some Texas locals about 11 Sept 2001 and where we all were that fateful day. We all had a toast...
:beer
...to the nearly 3000 innocent people and all the first responders who were killed in that Islamic Terrorist attack a dozen years ago, yesterday. I still cry every time I see the people in New York City reading all those names on each anniversary of the attack.

What's next on our road trip?

Tomorrow we leave for Corpus Christi. We'll be there for the Vettes on the Lex and then, on Monday, we head up to Austin, another one of my favorite drinking and eating towns in TX. Finally, we drive to Amarillo where the Caravan business part of the trip starts.
 
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Great post about the Vette, Hib! It's nice to hear real world stories about what's
happening to other peoples cars, and how the problems get solved.

As for.......

.:(
After a night in Ft. Stockton, we're now in San Antonio for two days of eating, drinking an hanging out at one of our favorite spots, the San Antonio River Walk. It's a wonderful collection of good hotels, great places to eat and fun places to drink.

That place has been on my bucket list for about 2 years! Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE I
talk to that's been there, says that it's a MUST SEE! Guess I'll have to move it up a little on
the old "priority tree"
Andy :w
 
Hib,
Sorry to hear of your A/C troubles and other problems.
How many miles do you now have on your 12 BB 2.

I have about 3,000 miles on my 12 ZR1 and I guess I have been lucky so far to not have any problems.

Roger
 
Hib,
Sorry to hear of your A/C troubles and other problems.
How many miles do you now have on your 12 BB 2.

I have about 3,000 miles on my 12 ZR1 and I guess I have been lucky so far to not have any problems.

Roger

We've got 11559 on the Blue Bullet 2

As for all the problems, they seem to be parts supplier problems rather than problems with the car's assembly at Bowling Green.

Paint on CF hoods, LS7 coolant pumps, evaporator cores and wheel nuts are all made by outside suppliers. I really hope, GM has a better handle on what its suppliers for C7 are doing than it seemed to have on it's C6 suppliers. With respect to my car, supplier problems have cost GM a bunch in warranty.
 
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Hey Hib,
15+ months and 12,000+ miles on our 427 Vert and only had 2 issues.

1) It came from BG with the alignment off - drove straight but the steering wheel was 5-10 degrees off center. Dealer re-aligned it and been good since.
2) The dual mode exhaust went loud and stayed that way on our road trip to BG for the Labor Day event. Turned out to be a failed actuator on the left muffler. Dealer had to replace the muffler assembly. First time I've heard of that.

PS: The San Antonio River Walk is a great place to visit. Had some good food and drinks and fun down there a few years ago. Need to go back one day.
 
The HVAC in this 2012 Corvette failed a third time.

So now, it's fair to say I'm a pissed-off Chevrolet customer.:mad

We got into the Blue Bullet 2 on Friday morning headed for Corpus Christi. As I drive out of the Drury Inn, San Antonio, I press the knob for the A/C and, it blows not just warm but hot. At first, I'm thinking: oops. I must have mistakenly set it for heat.

Wrong. The target temp was 70°F and, for good measure, I reset it to 60°F and the system was still blowing hot and that is totally NOT:cool!:

As our destination was Corpus Christi, we used my Wife's iPhone to find a dealer in "Corpus". –Siri said: Allen Samuels Chevrolet–so we drove straight there.

As for the hot weather? Hey, the A/C in this C6 is so bad, I've gotten used to driving with the window down and my hand positioned and angled just right so there is air blowing into the interior and my arm rests comfortably on the top of the doors. Remember old cars with vent windows? It works kinda like that. I'm going to have to start wearing gloves, though. When those Texas-sized bugs hit the back of your hand, it hurts.

Ok–just kidding about the bugs part.

In Corpus Christi, at Allen Samuels Chevrolet, my two new best friends, Service Manger, Randy Roberts and Service Advisor, Charles Dickerson, took a warranty work order, from a hot, sweaty, Californian having a bit of a hissy-fit. Samuels' Corvette tech had the car right after we arrived at Samuels Chevy. If I lived here in Corpus Christi, I'd be happy to deal with Samuels Chevrolet in the future. An hour later, he personally came to the guest waiting area to talk to me.

The diagnosis?

The HVAC Compressor had failed.

Changing a compressor on a C5/C6 is not a quick job. Samuels' Service Department would not be able to start on a job like that until mid-day on Monday and, neither Samuels nor any nearby dealers had a Corvette compressor in stock, anyway, so we bid the great service staff at Samuels farewell and continued our trip to the USS Lexington Museum on the other side of the city.

If you're on the Texas Gulf Coast and need a new Chevy or need service for an existing GM vehicle, look up Allen Samuels Chevrolet.:thumb

Obviously, a failed A/C compressor means the really fun part of this road trip adventure will be our trip home next week–across Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and southern California, most of which is desert, without air conditioning will have me cursing General Motors' HVAC parts suppliers every freaking mile of the 2000 or so it will take to get home.

On Monday night before we leave Corpus, I pray for two things:
1) Rain
2) That GM made better HVAC parts supplier choices for C7.

Wish us luck and send bottled water.
On second thought–make it cold beer.

 
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I would wait out the repair before tackling the desert or call ahead to dealers along the route to see if they had a compressor. People who live in the desert only do so because of AC. I came real close to blacking out driving my GTO that didn't have air through southern AZ, and I was 23 at the time.
 
I wish we had the option to wait, but duty calls. We have Caravan business to take care of and the appointments are already confirmed.

A desert driving trick I used to do a lot when my 71 no-air Coupe was the only Corvette I owned was to soak my t-shirt in water then put it back on wet. Could be looking at that as a cheap substitute for an HVAC compressor.
:happyanim:

The very last leg of the trip, is the worst from a temperature standpoint...across the desert from Seligman AZ, over to Kingman AZ, then across the Colorado River and through Needles to Barstow. At mid-day and in the afternoon, it runs 105-115°.

We will likely make that run in the early morning hours as a way to stay:cool!:
 
Are you taking old RTE 66 from Seligman to Kingman? If you do, stop at Hackberry, a one store "town." It's my favorite RTE 66 place. Truly a one-of-a-kind experience.

That's high desert up there. You might get lucky and hit a "cool spell." Good luck.
 

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