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Production is .001-.0024
Service maximum is .0037.

I'm going to be looking for about .002. A little less in the intakes would be nice and a little more on the exhausts is ok. Anything beyond .0024 and I'll start to wonder.

Accuracy is key. Getting the indicator set up right is important. Also, because the tolerances are for a point on the valve stem just at the top of the guide and it's not easy to measure there, you measure a little higher in the valve stem then use trig to derive the actual number.
 
Thanks.

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A couple of weeks ago, Sandy and I drove the Blue Bullet 2 down to L.A. Harbor at San Pedro to visit the USS Iowa.

"BB-61" was the first of the Iowa class "Fast Battleships". The four Iowa class ships were the last battleships built by the United States and each served almost 50 years. There were four of them, Iowa (BB-61), New Jersey (BB-62), Missouri (BB-63) and Wisconsin (BB-64). All were built between 1939 and 1944 and all four saw service in World War 2, in the Korean War and he early Cold War. New Jersey fought in Vietnam. Missouri and Wisconsin fought in the First Gulf War. All are now museums.

The Iowa was decommissioned in 1990, was stricken from the Naval Register in 2006 but remained part of the National Defense Reserve Fleet until 2011 when she was donated to the Pacific Battleship Center as a museum ship.

Whereas an aircraft carrier is a way to extend air power in a place with no runways, battleships were surface combatants with a lineage going all the way back to the first ship in the Navy, the USS Constitution, aka "Old Ironsides".

The Iowa, running 30 knots through rough seas while firing it's 16-inch main battery at a Japanese Imperial Navy ship 26 miles away is the mystique-driven idea of a Battleship. In reality, there were only two occasions in WWII where American and Japanese Battleships engaged. The Iowa was part of the American fleet in the last one, the "Second Battle of the Philippine Sea" (known more popularly as the "Battle of Letye Gulf") but was not one of the Battleships which engaged Jap forces.

For the most part Battleships in WW2 were gun platforms used for shore bombardment and in the Korean War and Vietnam that's all they were used for. In the early Cold War, they were used along with aircraft carriers to project American Naval Power. In the latter stages of the Cold War, as part of President Reagan's 600-ship Navy, the Iowa class ships were recommissioned and fitted with Harpoon anti-ship Missiles and Tomahawk Cruise Missiles. During the first Gulf War, Missouri and Wisconsin launched cruise missile attacks against targets in Iraq along with using their 16-inch main batteries in support of ground forces.

The USS Iowa takes about three hours to tour, if you want the full tour and time to read all the reader boards. The ship has been in San Pedro only since 2012 and there are parts of it which have not yet been opened to the public such as the engine room and the main battery turrets. The Iowa also has a really cool "ship's store" with lots of Iowa memorabilia and souvenirs. If you're really interested in this stuff, there's a great book called USS Iowa at War which is sold the the Iowa's store or is available on-line at this web page. I read it and truly enjoyed the story of this great ship.

I'm looking forward to going back to the Iowa in three or four years when more of the ship is available for public tours.


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A couple of weeks ago, after the trip down to L.A. harbor to visit the USS Iowa, I upgraded the exhaust on the Blue Bullet II by retrofitting it with the system off a 2011 Z06.

The 2011 system has less restriction because it's the only Z06 exhaust with an X-pipe and two catalytic convertors. 2006-2010 Z06es have an H-pipe and two cats and 2012 and 2013s have an X-pipe and four cats. The switch to a four-cat system for the '12 model year was required by an obscure change in California emissions requirements which may also have been adopted in some other states with strict regulations. GM figured that it might as well make all the cars with four cats.

C5/C6 exhaust systems have four parts: exhaust manifolds, head-pipe and cat assemblies, mid-section and mufflers. On a '12 and '13 the second set of cats is where the main cats were on a C5, in the mid-section, housed the cavity at the head of the transmission tunnel. The X-pipe is behind them. On an '11 mid-section, the X-pipe is where the second set of cats is now located.

GM didn't make my retrofit project easy because it changed the design of the connection between the cats and the mid-section so, to make the change, you have to install both a set of 2011 cats and a 2011 mid-section. The most difficult part of the job is removing the headpipe/cat assemblies. Two of the eight fasteners which hold the cats to the exhaust manifolds are very difficult to reach and all eight of the nuts holding the cats are likely to be seized by thermal cycling.

To get those nuts loose, first, you must spray them with an penetrating oil and not just WD40 but an industrial strength penetrant such as Aerokroil. Spray the area at where the stud and nut meet generously, then let the penetrant work for 24 hours.

After a 24-hr. penetrant "soak," remove the two front outside nuts on each cat. They are the most difficult to remove because of restricted access. To get at them, you'll have remove both front wheels and lift the engine an inch or so. Remove the nuts on the two front powertrain mounting studs, then, using a 6x6 section of one-inch thick wood between the oil pan and a bottle jack, lift the engine until the cat outlets bottom on the tunnel close-out plate.

You need a 15-mm, 3/8-drive deep socket and a 3/8-drive breaker bar and the socket must not be longer than 3.5-inches. It's difficult to find a deep-but-not-too-deep 15-mm 3/8-drive socket so, you may have to cut or machine a longer deep socket. Once you have the not-so-deep, deep socket, put it on the breaker bar and stick the socket though the opening between the bottom of the frame and the top of the engine cradle. Get the socket on the nut then push hard. When the nut breaks loose, trade the breaker bar for a ratchet and take off the nut. The other three nuts on each side are much easier. They can be removed by any 15-mm, 1/2-drive deep socket, a long extension and a universal joint. You also can use an impact gun and impact socket/extension combination.

Once you get the manifold-to-cat nuts off, the rest of the job is pretty simple. Replace the manifold flange gaskets, if necessary. Replace the '12/'13 cats with the ’11 cats. Tighten the nuts. Blow the powertrain mount cavities clean with shop air. Lower the engine. Replace the powertrain mounting nuts and tighten. Install the 2011 mid-section. Tighten all connections. Reinstall the rear exhaust hanger bolts.

I took some extra steps when before I put the 2011 parts in place as part of my ongoing program to reduce the amount of exhaust heat that radiates into the interior. I wrapped the headpipe/cat assemblies aft of the cats and the mid-section with Design Engineering "Titanium Exhaust Wrap". In general, exhaust wrap products insulate the exhaust part to which they are applied such that less heat is radiated from the part and more heat is kept in the exhaust flow. The advantages of this are less heat where you don't want it (the interior) and slightly increased performance in some cases because of improved exhaust flow. Keeping exhaust gases hotter within the exhaust system mitigates increases in density due to the exhaust cooling and that increases gas flow. That can increase exhaust scavenging which may increase horsepower.

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2011 system with wrap----------2011 system on the car

The beauty of DEI's Titanium Exhaust Wrap, compared to other exhaust wrap products, is it doesn't have to be soaked in water before application nor does it have to be sprayed with a preservative to get the best results. When you first start the engine on a car which has had exhaust wrap installed, the wrap will emit some smoke and a burning odor, but after a short period the smoking and stinking stops.

Lastly, I attached sections of another DEI thermal insulation product, Floor and Tunnel Shield, to certain parts in close proximity of the cats, over the brake pipes that run along the lower part of the driver side frame rail next to the headpipe/cat assembly and along the side of the trans tunnel below the tunnel close-out plate. Floor and Tunnel Shield is a heat reflecting, 10-mil aluminum film, bonded to layer of glass fiber insulation and backed with a high-temperature adhesive. It will withstand 1750° direct heat and the adhesive can withstand 450°F. Total thickness is 3/16-in and it can be easily shaped and trimmed.

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During my first road test, I noted the exhaust was just slightly louder and the engine felt different when it was at mid-range RPM.

On the 28th, I have a chassis dyno test scheduled. After that I'll know if the retrofit 2011 exhaust improved the car's performance.
 
My original dyno test session, at Westech Performance Group (Mira Loma CA) on Feb 28 got postponed to Mar 7. It's been a while since I checked-in here and I'm sorry about that.

During the dyno test three weeks ago, I was surprised. I expected an increase, but not quite as much as I got.

I made three passes on Westech's dyno and averaged them then compared that to the three run average from my base line session. The difference was 11.0-rwhp SAE and 11.6-rw lb/ft SAE. That's a pretty significant difference. I expected about half that. so, now, I'm at 464.7 rwhp and 441.2 rw lb/ft, SAE-corrected. The only change was removing the '12 cat assys and the '12 mid-section and replacing them with '11 cat assys and catless, '11 mid-section.

A revealing test, for sure.

I also noted in all the dyno runs so far, the engine gets pretty rich in PE over 4000 rpm so, my next step is to get my Inovate Motorsports LC-1 wideband O2 sensor installed, fire up my HP Tuners PCM Edit software then do some calibration work.

Then I'm going to put one of Zip Products' "Mamba" air intake systems on the car

Once again, thanks to Eric at Westech for great service on the chassis dyno. One of the reasons I'll make a 300 mile round trip to run there is their chassis dyno set up, a Superflow AutoDyn, and the professionalism with which they run it. For more info on Westech's chassis and engine dyno services, click here

Just before I ran on the chassis dyno, I changed the oil. The car had gone 15,334 miles since the last oil change. Because I use Red Line 10W30 synthetic oil I run it to an extended drain interval which can't be done with Mobil 1 but can be done with Red Line. During that distance, I changed filters three times. Also, I only had to add 1.5 quarts of oil during that period which is a very low oil use number. I've sent the oil out for analysis and I'll report back when I have the results.

As for road trips...the next one Sandy and I are going to do with the Blue Bullet 2 is a wine tasting tour in late April with our Club, Corvette Club Santa Barbara. We're headed north to some central coast wineries in the Paso Robles CA area.
 
My original dyno test session, at Westech Performance Group (Mira Loma CA) on Feb 28 got postponed to Mar 7. It's been a while since I checked-in here and I'm sorry about that.

During the dyno test three weeks ago, I was surprised. I expected an increase, but not quite as much as I got.

I made three passes on Westech's dyno and averaged them then compared that to the three run average from my base line session. The difference was 11.0-rwhp SAE and 11.6-rw lb/ft SAE. That's a pretty significant difference. I expected about half that. so, now, I'm at 464.7 rwhp and 441.2 rw lb/ft, SAE-corrected. The only change was removing the '12 cat assys and the '12 mid-section and replacing them with '11 cat assys and catless, '11 mid-section.

A revealing test, for sure.

I also noted in all the dyno runs so far, the engine gets pretty rich in PE over 4000 rpm so, my next step is to get my Inovate Motorsports LC-1 wideband O2 sensor installed, fire up my HP Tuners PCM Edit software then do some calibration work.

Then I'm going to put one of Zip Products' "Mamba" air intake systems on the car

Once again, thanks to Eric at Westech for great service on the chassis dyno. One of the reasons I'll make a 300 mile round trip to run there is their chassis dyno set up, a Superflow AutoDyn, and the professionalism with which they run it. For more info on Westech's chassis and engine dyno services, click here

Just before I ran on the chassis dyno, I changed the oil. The car had gone 15,334 miles since the last oil change. Because I use Red Line 10W30 synthetic oil I run it to an extended drain interval which can't be done with Mobil 1 but can be done with Red Line. During that distance, I changed filters three times. Also, I only had to add 1.5 quarts of oil during that period which is a very low oil use number. I've sent the oil out for analysis and I'll report back when I have the results.

As for road trips...the next one Sandy and I are going to do with the Blue Bullet 2 is a wine tasting tour in late April with our Club, Corvette Club Santa Barbara. We're headed north to some central coast wineries in the Paso Robles CA area.

Did you put the 3rd filter on at about 15000, so your filter interval is about 7500?

Did you inspect (cut open) the filters to see if they could have gone longer?
 
C6 is my favorite.

I have onwed (2) C3's, (2) C4's and now I have a C6. It is the best Corvette I have ever owned (none were purchased new), but my latest is a dream at 70K miles on the odometer. Problems? they all have them, even GEO's, Malibu's or Impala's. I am not particularly fund of the C7, it is nice and it looks like a "Ferrari" so many say and that is exactly why I am not fund of it. If I wanted a Ferrari, I would get a Ferrari. I am not saying they are not worth it, they are still the most affordable sports 2 seater with class available these days, but I think they could have done a better job and keep it smaller. They are not "Little Red Corvette" anymore as the Prince song's lyrics say.
So Hib, go for it, find yourself a choice C6 and break the bank account, I did with my last one. I will tell you, some day I will buy a new one, maybe a C8 if it is smaller than the C7.
...and don't store it! Drive it, use it, kick it, get it wet under the rain, park it in parking lots, take it for long trips and short ones too, floor it and make it scream!, wash it in your driveway (with real water), and when it gets old and ugly and banged up, RESTORE IT and use it for show only! That is the way to have a Corvette!

And Thank you for all the stories, discussions and suggestions on your account with Corvette Action Center

Luis
 
Did you put the 3rd filter on at about 15000, so your filter interval is about 7500?

Sorry, "froggy47" my post may have been confusing on this issue. That was three filters during the 15,000 miles. The filter interval was about 5000 miles. The filter I put on when I changed the oil was not in that count. That filter counts towards the next drain interval.

Did you inspect (cut open) the filters to see if they could have gone longer?

No. You cannot tell whether or not a filter can go farther just by cutting it open. You'd have to first test it to see if the bypass has begun to open and then cut it open to view any of the big stuff. I don't bother with that.

I know that once a good quality filter gets to 1/2-to-3/4 of its design life, the bypass will soon begain to open and bypass some unfiltered oil around the filter. Filters are cheap. I throw them away after 5000 miles. I have a lot of oil analysis data to support that for the ACD UPF filters I use on most of my engines.

Many think that the bypass valves in filters are "digital devices", ie: they stay closed until a set pressure differential then they "pop" full open. That's hardly the case. Once the pressure differential across the filter reaches a certain point, the bypass comes off the seat and as the differential slowly increases, the valve slowly opens until it reaches a point where the filter is fully bypassed.

Obviously, for longest time at maximum filtering, you want to discard the filter just before the pressure differential reaches the threshold of bypass valve opening. There is no way to know when that occurs unless the filter is instrumented so, my rule of thumb is filter changes at no more than 50% oil life.

As to how I gauge my extended drain intervals, testing I did with Red Line oil for almost 25 years indicated that a good rule of thumb for using the OLM with Red Line 10W30 Engine Oil was 150-175% oil life for change intervals. While that testing program ended when Red Line Oil was sold to Spectrum Corporation in Aug 2013, so far Spectrum has not changed Red Line's formulations, so I believe my data is still accurate.
 
Well...I finally got around to performing the "wiggle test" on my LS7 which I spoke about in post #219. In short, a "wiggle test" is the Service Manual procedure for measuaring valve stem-to-guilde clearance on a set of heads installed on an engine.

I did this test both as research for a revision of my LS7 article posted elsewhere on this web site. I figure, I can't effectively write about the LS7 valve guide wear issue without understanding how you measure the probvlem. I also did the test so I could photograph the procedure for that revision.

I was absolutely astonished to find that both cylinder heads need to be repaired or replaced. All eight intake valve guides were toast. While the exhaust guides measured ok, four of eight exhaust valves won't move freely in their guides and one is just about stuck.

I swear...sometimes I feel my Z06 is jinxed.:(

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Here's an image of measuring #1 intake. Reads .0092 which corrected with trig gives .0057-in clearance. Way too much!

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Here's another image showing the dial indicator set-up on the bare LS7 head I have in the shop. Thanks to Goodson Engine Builder Supplies for supplying the dial indicator

I've contacted my local dealer Graham Chevrolet about having the heads warrantied. The car sits in my shop, awaiting a decision from the GM rep. Hopefully, GM will agree to let me have the heads repaired by the shop in the L.A. area which has done my cylinder head work for many years.

I don't blame the engine's design or development or the assembly process at the old Performance Build Center in Wixom, but the folks at Linamar, the cylinder head supplier, they are NOT on my Christmas Card list!:mad
 
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I am just about ready to buy a used c6z but all your issues are making me think twice. My LS6 motor is 100% solid at 55k miles (with one exception - the balancer replacement). I have a video on my YT channel if anyone cares to view.

Is there any particular model year of C6Z that is better (used)?

Thanks for your writings!
 
The later cars with the retuned suspension and the GY G2 run-flats are easier to drive at the limit. The last couple of years with the Z07 package are awesome.

The 2011s are the most powerful (510-515-hp_ because they have an X-pipe and two cats. 06-10 has an H-pipe and two cats. 12-13 has an X-pipe and four cats.

Unfortunately, some, but not all, 07-13 engines have valve guide wear problems. If you're looking at a used engine, I'd either ask the owner to have the engine "wiggle tested" and if the engine has any worn guides and the car's out of warranty, deduct the cost of replacing the cylinder heads. If the engine is still under warranty and the valve guides are worn, tell the owner you want the heads replaced under warranty before you'll buy.
 
I decided, since I'm not only writing this blog but I'm also getting ready to revised my LS7 story, elsewhere on this site, to include more material on the valve guide wear issue, to start the repair process on my "own dime".

I took the car to the local dealer, Graham Chevrolet in Santa Barbara CA. They are going to get the heads off and then I'm going to take them to my long-time cylinder head repair vendor, Mark DeGroff Cylinder Head Service in Northridge CA. At DeGroff's we'll disassemble the heads, directly measure any guide wear, photograph the process for my blog and the LS7 article, then reassemble the heads.

After that, I will take them back to Graham to be repaired under warranty.

Froggy47, you may want to contact me directly via email at finspeed@netmotive.net if you have any more questions on buying a used Z06.
 
I see this morning that Chevrolet has announced the power rating of the LT4 in the 2015 Z06.
650-hp is impressive.
What's interesting to me is that was exactly the number I heard three years ago when investigating some "rumors" about performance goals for an engine which was being developed for an uplevel version of the C7.

But, back to reality, here.
In the C6 era there were only two engines which had trouble with valve guide wear. The LS7 in the 06-13 Z06 and the LS9 in the 09-13 ZR1. Considering the loss of credibility GM has experienced with Corvette customers who bought cars with those engines in them, for the LT4, I hope GM has solved the problem that left many C6 Z06/ZR1 customers with unanswered questions about the effect of valve guide wear on engine durability and warranty coverage.

My LS7's intake valve guides gone at 16,334 miles has me glad I decided not to use my Z06 as a "track car". Clearly, the LS7's reputation as a track-suitable engine has been tainted by cylinder heads with guides that wear prematurely and, in track use, eventually cause catastrophic failure of the engine.

It would be really unfortunate, if the LT4 ended-up with the same problem.

My guess is that it likely will not if rumors are true that, after the LS7/LS9 valve guide fiasco, GM changed cylinder head suppliers and changed the specification for intake valve stem finish for the LT4.
 
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Hey Hib,

What's the current warranty situation on the LS7/LS9 heads and valve guides? Is GM providing an extended warranty to cover these problems if they crop up after the normal warranty expires?

I ask because GM just did that with the Camaro ZL1 and Cadillac CTS V with the LSA engines and their superchargers.
 
I decided, since I'm not only writing this blog but I'm also getting ready to revised my LS7 story, elsewhere on this site, to include more material on the valve guide wear issue, to start the repair process on my "own dime".

I took the car to the local dealer, Graham Chevrolet in Santa Barbara CA. They are going to get the heads off and then I'm going to take them to my long-time cylinder head repair vendor, Mark DeGroff Cylinder Head Service in Northridge CA. At DeGroff's we'll disassemble the heads, directly measure any guide wear, photograph the process for my blog and the LS7 article, then reassemble the heads.

After that, I will take them back to Graham to be repaired under warranty.

Froggy47, you may want to contact me directly via email at finspeed@netmotive.net if you have any more questions on buying a used Z06.

Thanks Hib!
 
Hey Hib,

What's the current warranty situation on the LS7/LS9 heads and valve guides? Is GM providing an extended warranty to cover these problems if they crop up after the normal warranty expires?

I ask because GM just did that with the Camaro ZL1 and Cadillac CTS V with the LSA engines and their superchargers.

Sorry, Tuna, I was, uh...distracted with a big event for most of the summer.
:L

It's been a while since I've touched base here.

The answers to your question is:
To date (11/28/14) GM is not offering any extended warranties to Z06 or ZR1 owners who have problems with guide wear.
 
As for the cylinder heads on the Blue Bullet 2, GM replaced them in early August. We drove the car locally for 10 days then used it to lead the Southern California/Southern Nevada Section of the National Corvette Caravan to Blowing Green.

So far we have 6341 miles on the engine since head replacement.

Once I get 8000 miles on it, I'm going to "wiggle test" all the valves, again.

For more detailed information about the problems with the heads on my engine, I revised the feature story on LS7 which is elsewhere on the CAC. Click here to read the whole story.

To read just the part about my "cylinder head adventure" click here.
 
My next experiment with my '12 Z06 is to try out the Zip Products "Mamba" air filter assembly. According to my pal, Jason, at Katech, the Mamba is one of the two intake kits that really work well, the other being the Halltech Killer Bee. Sometimes, installation of an aftermarket air filter assembly (some incorrectly call them "cold air intakes" or "CAI") require recalibration of the ECM. Since, over the last few years, I've learned calibration or "tuning", I thought I'd spend some time with the LS7's calibration"

Before I can "put a tune" in the car, I need to install a wide-band oxygen sensor in the exhaust so I can use my Innovate Motorsports O2S interface to send data to my laptop running HPTuners software.

So...I need to pull one of the exhaust head pipes and have a welder put an O2S bung in it. Then I install my sensor, connect it to my interface and then to the lap top.

After that I do some tuning then take the car to the chassis dyno to see ho the Mamba affects the torque curve.

Merry Christmas, all!
 
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Well...you know the old adage about "best laid plans".

I haven't gotten round to doing any calibration changes. The stock "cal" is still in the ECM.

For the last month or so, I've just been driving the car once in a while when I get sick of my V6 Camaro daily driver and need to get some of that "LS7 Religion". I just love the way the LS7 feels when I short shift out of first and second such that I'm at about 2000 rpm in third gear. I like to floor it and run up to about 6800. It's more fun than any human should be allowed to have.

Ok. I'm giving away 140 or so horses to the "new" Z06es but ya know....today I was driving home from the dentist and had a spacing new C7 Z06 pass me and...I wasn't jealous at all. I figure half those guys are scared to death to floor it at 2000 rpm in third and hold their boot flat on the floor.

I'm not.:chuckle

But then...the other day I get this letter form GM telling me the car is being "recalled" for the low-beam headlight problem which I only thought was an issue with the first few years of C6s. The letter says I have to take the car into the dealer and they'll install a "jumper" inside the under hood electrical center that supposedly fixes the problem. I haven't had any trouble with the low-beam lights but, no biggie. If the low-beams went off there's always high-beams and the fog lights.

I decided that a car with a $5000 set of brakes needs better brake hoses that the cheap rubber stuff put on all Chevrolets. So I ordered a set of US DOT-approved braided stainless steel covered brake hoses from CAC Sponsor, Zip Products, to install on the Blue Bullet 2. That's my next project. I'm expecting just a little bit better pedal feel because with braided hoses, there's no expansion at high levels of brake pressure.

As for the Zip Products Mamba air filter assembly...that's gonna get on the car fairly soon.
 

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