C6 starts without key fob

[motorman]

No, that’s not my point at all as you have proved, people don't pay attention to what is written. I also said “people are human’” meaning that they will make a mistake now and then. With the automatic it is a given that you put it in park and was a requirement to remove the key. Actually I have no idea how the C6 starting system on the C6 automatic works and if it will be left vulnerable if left in a certain, uninstructed condition. All I was saying was that in the condition I, and others, described a 6-speed equipped C6 Corvette can be driven away without the fob. You can assume any condition of torment you chose, it can be done.

i will check my auto C-6 as soon is i get a chance BUT i will bet if i shut it off in neutral or in gear the same thing will happen. i do not think that GM is going to put in the manual,"shutting off the igniton in reverse will prevent your corvette from being stolen" because the first guy who has his corvette stolen after he did the proper shutdown will sue.

 

[Dad]

i will check my auto C-6 as soon is i get a chance BUT i will bet if i shut it off in neutral or in gear the same thing will happen. i do not think that GM is going to put in the manual,"shutting off the igniton in reverse will prevent your corvette from being stolen" because the first guy who has his corvette stolen after he did the proper shutdown will sue.

I'm almost sure that if you shut it off in gear that it will not restart, mainly because it won't start in gear with the fob. It could be tried with the windows down, in neutral, on a flat surface, blocked so it won’t move, remove the fobs to a reasonable distance away, return to the C6 and start it.

Note: If you do this you do this of your own choosing, not mine. Anything you do is of your control, not mine. You are in control of your car, not me.


GM may have already put enough in the manual to get a law suit by saying that the fob must be in the car for the ignition to work, page 2-20, it is not conditioned by, “if you do it like you were told”.



I remember one law suit I worked on that went on for over two years and after our engineer was belittled and condemned for making a product that could injure someone as badly as it did his only statement was, “It’s not our product”. The product was miss used and abused in a manner that was cautioned on the product, not on a separate piece of paper, and yet the lawyers took this slob to the cleaners not knowing what they were doing. So my guess would be that if they chose to it will become an issue for the courts to decide.

 

[WhalePirot]

i guess your point is that you should NOT have to put your C-6 in reverse to shut of the ignition completely so i should be ****ed that i have to put mine auto in park and i should be complaining to GM about this also, correct?

You don't come across as too friendly in your posts. Most of the information on this forum is helpful, with few exceptions. You might want to carefully reread all of this post, especially the tone of your 'contributions'.

I applaud Dad for his patience with you and his thorough posts, plus his past attempts to take steps to correct misinformation in others' literature.

I believe this key FOB/starting issue IS a hole in GM's C-6 security system and the owners manual should post it in bold letters, for those who choose to read and understand it.

As a potential C-6 owner, I am happy to know and benefit from the experience of others, such as Dad.

 

[c4c5specialist]

The point of this whole thing should be this.
Read your owners manual and perform the shut down and start up procedure as it is written.
If this is done, you will not be able to start the car with out the fob, plain and simple.
I cant believe that this has been going on for so long.
If you dont follow the sequence, it will not work correctly.
Lets all get back down to earth, because the rest is purely speculation that is just not true.
Allthebest, c4c5

 

[motorman]

You don't come across as too friendly in your posts. Most of the information on this forum is helpful, with few exceptions. You might want to carefully reread all of this post, especially the tone of your 'contributions'.

I applaud Dad for his patience with you and his thorough posts, plus his past attempts to take steps to correct misinformation in others' literature.

I believe this key FOB/starting issue IS a hole in GM's C-6 security system and the owners manual should post it in bold letters, for those who choose to read and understand it.

As a potential C-6 owner, I am happy to know and benefit from the experience of others, such as Dad.

i AM friendly it is just that this whole thing is about that some people do not like to be told what to do and think the whole world should change to suit them. it is not about a mistake GM made

 

[motorman]

C-6 auto shut off method

if i do not follow the correct shut off method,putting the trans in park,but shut off the engine in neutral my C-6 auto trans will also start without the FOB in the car. putting it in park or putting it in reverse is what locks the ignition.

 

[Dad]

if i do not follow the correct shut off method,putting the trans in park,but shut off the engine in neutral my C-6 auto trans will also start without the FOB in the car. putting it in park or putting it in reverse is what locks the ignition.

Motorman,

Thanks, that's what I needed to hear, glad you followed though and tried it. Now all you and I need to do is remain perfect and there will never be a problem. At our ages that might even be harder to do than the people that leave their kids in the van and go to work for 8 hours.

 

[Dad]

The point of this whole thing should be this.
Read your owners manual and perform the shut down and start up procedure as it is written.
If this is done, you will not be able to start the car with out the fob, plain and simple.
I cant believe that this has been going on for so long.
If you dont follow the sequence, it will not work correctly.
Lets all get back down to earth, because the rest is purely speculation that is just not true.
Allthebest, c4c5

Sorry, but you're wrong about the speculation. You and Motorman both chose to ignore the fact that even the best of us will make a mistake every now and then. Why do you think that the clutch needs to be depressed to start a standard shift? It didn’t when they first came out, but ever now and then someone would start a car while it was in gear and the clutch was engaged. Trouble in river city, CRASH, INJURY, and even DEATH. Then there was a switch added to make sure the clutch was disengaged, why was that? I have 2 cars right now that you can start without a key, one is the C6 the other is a 1950 Chevrolet, have we advanced that far to the rear? If you can’t believe that this has gone on this long, hang in there, it ain’t over yet.

 

[motorman]

Motorman,

Thanks, that's what I needed to hear, glad you followed though and tried it. Now all you and I need to do is remain perfect and there will never be a problem. At our ages that might even be harder to do than the people that leave their kids in the van and go to work for 8 hours.

at my age i may forget to zip up my fly after taking a leak but i do not belive that i will get to the place were i forget to zip down my fly before i take a leak.

 

[EHS]

at my age i may forget to zip up my fly after taking a leak but i do not belive that i will get to the place were i forget to zip down my fly before i take a leak.

That's not the issue!

The issue is do you ever zip up your fly and forget that you haven't put everything in reverse?

That could be very painful.

I've (literally) heard it happen.

 

[motorman]

That's not the issue!

The issue is do you ever zip up your fly and forget that you haven't put everything in reverse?

That could be very painful.

I've (literally) heard it happen.

as you get older that is not a problem,getting enought to reach outside the zipper could be.

 

[Dad]

That's just the half of it.

as you get older that is not a problem,getting enought to reach outside the zipper could be.

The problem is not remembering you have a zipper or if you are out of bed yet.
Not funny MaGee!

 

[Larry's Yellow Rdstr]

Kind of out of context but I agree with OLDGOAT, I'm holding off till the 2006 makes it's appearance. Why on earth did Chevrolet come up with this inane lock/unlock system to begin with?

I've had 3 Corvettes since 2000 and everyone of them had electrical problem, including my 04. I may be out on a limb on this but I suspect we haven't heard the end of this "start and drive-away" system(?)

Gadgets have their place, but it shouldn't be evident on someting as sensitive and potentially costly as the Corvette ignition sysyem.

Maybe Corvette has evolved in a myriad of way, but this is not one of them.

Maybe their engineers could spend a little time on the orange peel paint problem that been evident for years, or the cheap looking interiors.

 

[motorman]

Kind of out of context but I agree with OLDGOAT, I'm holding off till the 2006 makes it's appearance. Why on earth did Chevrolet come up with this inane lock/unlock system to begin with?

I've had 3 Corvettes since 2000 and everyone of them had electrical problem, including my 04. I may be out on a limb on this but I suspect we haven't heard the end of this "start and drive-away" system(?)

Gadgets have their place, but it shouldn't be evident on someting as sensitive and potentially costly as the Corvette ignition sysyem.

Maybe Corvette has evolved in a myriad of way, but this is not one of them.

Maybe their engineers could spend a little time on the orange peel paint problem that been evident for years, or the cheap looking interiors.

my guess and i do not have a 6 speed it conforms to the goverment anti theft mandate without using a column lock

 

[Gorgon]

Maybe their engineers could spend a little time on the orange peel paint problem that been evident for years, or the cheap looking interiors.

You can thank the EPA for the orange peel, not GM.

 

[smook]

So... to correct this, will there be an "OFF" button now ?
What's the best fix ?

-Bill.

 

[JBsC5]

This is great! I can go get myself a C6 without even paying for it! (kidding of course)

I agree with C4C5 specialist...follow the instructions that came with your new technology ladden Corvette C6 and you'll be fine.

The point of this whole thing should be this.
Read your owners manual and perform the shut down and start up procedure as it is written.
If this is done, you will not be able to start the car with out the fob, plain and simple.
I cant believe that this has been going on for so long.
If you dont follow the sequence, it will not work correctly.
Lets all get back down to earth, because the rest is purely speculation that is just not true.
Allthebest, c4c5

 

[c4c5specialist]

Sorry, but you're wrong about the speculation. You and Motorman both chose to ignore the fact that even the best of us will make a mistake every now and then. Why do you think that the clutch needs to be depressed to start a standard shift? It didn’t when they first came out, but ever now and then someone would start a car while it was in gear and the clutch was engaged. Trouble in river city, CRASH, INJURY, and even DEATH. Then there was a switch added to make sure the clutch was disengaged, why was that? I have 2 cars right now that you can start without a key, one is the C6 the other is a 1950 Chevrolet, have we advanced that far to the rear? If you can’t believe that this has gone on this long, hang in there, it ain’t over yet.

Actually, I know the facts.
If you follow the procedure, you will be fine and there will not be a further problem.
If you do NOT follow the procedure, your car will NOT function the way it was engineered.
End of discussion.
Allthebest, c4c5

 

[Dad]

Actually, I know the facts.
If you follow the procedure, you will be fine and there will not be a further problem.
If you do NOT follow the procedure, your car will NOT function the way it was engineered.
End of discussion.
Allthebest, c4c5

I have more respect for what you know about the Corvettes and the help that you offer this group than this discussion tends to reflect. The original post was still in error about the facts, go back a read the post on the starting procedures. There were at least 3 errors that were not updated in that post yet, you did state that it was early information, but it would help if it could be updated. The first instructions said to start the C6 6-speed the clutch had to be depressed, the foot brake applied, the emergency brake set, and the shift lever in reverse. In order to start the C6 6-speed you only need the clutch depressed. (Remind myself to get the first bobble head doll that says, “Follow the instructions” to keep me reminded.) None of us can ignore the fact that even the best of us will make a mistake every now and then, there was never a question about whether we could follow the instructions. Again, why do you think that the clutch needs to be depressed to start a standard shift? It didn’t when they first came out, but ever now and then someone would start a car while it was in gear and the clutch was engaged. Accidents happened. For safety reasons there was a switch added to make sure the clutch was disengaged, why was that? Why after 30 years would a manufacture put the catalytic converter so close to the brake line that it can boil the fluid to the point that it can affect the brakes? It only reinforces my statement that a mistake can be made and that is, and has been, my only point. Is the best way to deal with an issue to just end the discussion? Not my way to correct something I don’t like or disagree with but we all do what we think is best. I have to add that the C6 is the only car that I know of that punishes you for not following instructions. If you don’t do what you’re told it’ll damage your battery, not, if you leave your lights on the battery will run down. Yes, I’m aware of the obvious when driving, that if there is a wall in front of you it’s best to drive around it or stop before you hit it. What I’m still talking about is that an abnormal condition exists in the C6 6-speed that does not exist in any other cars that I know of.



You were only trying to do what you thought would be of interest to the future C6 owners when you posted the push button starting information. I am doing the same thing, pointing out a unique part of the starting procedure and if we chose to work together on that issue everyone will benefit as they have from all of your informative posts.

 

[c4c5specialist]

HI there, DAD,
We all here add so much to the Corvette experience.
You bring to light alot, and for that, I thank you.
Allthebest, c4c5