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Well the time has come to put a new exhaust on 2nd love. I have decided to go with long headers and sidepipes.
Other than the obvious in looks, is there an advantage to ceramic coated verses chrome headers?
The muffler shop recomends patroit sidepipes as they are not expensive and 'I will be replacing them every two or three years anyway whether I buy them, more expensive or custom made'. I noted the inlet of patroit pipes are 2"?? The collectors of the headers are 3". would this not create a restriction?
Thanks in advance
John
 
stock L81 engine?

...that aside, I'd steer away from chrome headers. I'd suggest checking out Jet-Hot. They have a pretty good rep from what I can recall. If I was to do another set of headers on my car, I'd be looking to them first. Last I checked, they had a "sterling" finish or something like that. Looked just like chrome, but had the better properties of a ceramic coat. If you don't buy from them, you can get your own headers and send them out.

When I bought my Hooker ceramic coated headers from Summit Racing, I later found that I could've bought them from Jet-Hot with a better coating for LESS than I paid at Summit.

Why did your shop tell you that you'd be replacing them every 2-3 years??? You shouldn't have to if you get good headers with a solid coating (as Jet-Hot offers).

The differences between Chrome and Ceramic, as I'm aware, is that chrome plating doesn't last as long. There are variances in how places perform the plating. Some are better than others. But eventually they'll all start to show their age. Chrome will also tarnish (blue or gold) whereas ceramic coatings don't. Or at least not nearly as noticeably. And last but probably not least is that I think ceramic coating handles heat and heat dissipation better than chrome.
Those are a couple of the reasons why I was interested in Jet-Hot's 'sterling' coating, since it looked very chrome-like.
 
Thank you. Yes it is a stock L81. The muffler shop said I would be replacing the sidepipes about every 2-3 years as they rust and decay fast do to the heat and elements.
 
Thank you. Yes it is a stock L81. The muffler shop said I would be replacing the sidepipes about every 2-3 years as they rust and decay fast do to the heat and elements.
Hmmm..never heard about having to replace the sidepipes like that... ;shrug
I would think you shouldn't have to if you have them coated (ceramic or otherwise. Check Jet-Hot...)

Not that there's a whole lot to begin with on the L81, but you're gonna lose a little low end grunt with sidepipes. But you should gain a little more in the top end. I'd suggest sticking with the 1 5/8" primary tubing. Any larger will be wasted AND they might hit your steering box.
 
Past experience

I had the Custom (brand name) chrome sidepipes on my 350/370 LT-1 (1970 version) in my 68 vette. They looked and sounded great. During the first year, they started to turn blue in the engine compartment, and at the last piping bend behind the front tires. By the second year, they started leaking exhaust around the collector to exhaust tube connection (below the front of the doors), which accompained with louder exhaust and black exhaust soot at the connection. By the end of the 3rd year, they were rusting heavily in the pockets between the tubes where the exhaust tubes entered the collectors. This was from the outside. Also, by then, the 4" exhaust tubes themselves were rusting from the inside out. I had to replace the mufflers 2 times in 4 years, the second time didn't quiet the car much because of a bad fit between the exhaust tube and the muffler insert due to the corrosion. When they got so loud I could not talk to the person next to me, I scrapped them and went to rear exhaust.

I am again rebuilding the entire car and want to return to side exhaust. I have not yet decided to go back to the stock sidepipe covers with stainless steel mufflers or buy the Hooker stainless steel side exhaust headers. Hooker says their technology has come a long way, they now have reverse flow exhaust mufflers for the side exhaust and Patriot does sell heat shields for the Hooker side pipes. Have looked into the ceramic, and I like the reports on corrosion and heat resistance, but not the reports on the ceramic cracking after several (5-6) years. Also, they cost almost as much as the stainless steel ones. Have not seen them to be able to report on how shiny they look or stay. Again, have not yet decided, but am leaning towards Hedman ceramic side exhaust headers (Hedman PN 68281) and stock style stainless steel mufflers with stock style covers.

Also, I will be running Edelbrock Pro Flo-2 electronic fuel injection with Edelbrocks Performer RPM aluminum heads. Edelbrock recommends 1.7/8" tubes with their fuel injection and head combination to reduce backpressure. They say their components tested better with the increased flow/lower backpressure in the larger tubes. Your conditions may not be the same, but I would select my tube size primarily on engine performance requirements. I had plenty of room in my 68 engine compartment and cannot imagine an additional 1/8" larger radius will make that much of a difference. The Hooker tubes are 1.7/8" diameter, but have very long tubes while the Hedman headers are 1.5/8" diameter with much shorter tubes. Maybe this all balances out at the collector. Seems like at this level, if one is physically going be too large to fit, so will the other.

Another consideration, at least for me, is that with the Hedman header, the collector is inside the engine compartment and with the Hooker header it is outside the car below the doors. The Hedman configuration will make it possible for me to install the O2 sensor in the collector while the Hooker configuration must be welded into one of the header tubes (or located outside the car and visible). That means I will be sampling only 1 cylinder instead of 4 for O2 readings to the Fuel Injection ECM.

What ever you decide, hope you will post what you decided and how it has worked for you.
 
Another consideration, at least for me, is that with the Hedman header, the collector is inside the engine compartment and with the Hooker header it is outside the car below the doors. The Hedman configuration will make it possible for me to install the O2 sensor in the collector while the Hooker configuration must be welded into one of the header tubes (or located outside the car and visible). That means I will be sampling only 1 cylinder instead of 4 for O2 readings to the Fuel Injection ECM.
There's been cars around that have the O2 sensor on the outside. I think it looks fine, if not actually kinda cool!

ncm_o2_sensortn.jpg
 
we see lots of QC issues with patriot on the ford modular boards

i would stay away from those...

i used Dan Swain for header coating.. Swain coating in Scottsville NY.. ceramic.. same as NASA parts... they stay very cool considering the set up I run

good luck with the car... try to stay with as few necked down restrictions as you can
 

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