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(Bloomberg) -- General Motors Co. is disputing accusations that its low-emission Chevrolet Volt is a hybrid and not a true electric vehicle a month before the car goes on sale.

Auto critics Edmunds.com, Motor Trend and Popular Mechanics have said that during heavy acceleration the Volt uses its gasoline engine to power an electric generator which helps turn the wheels, similar to how hybrids run.

GM said on its website that the car is an extended-range electric vehicle, not a hybrid like Toyota Motor Corp.'s Prius.

The Volt debate illustrates the marketing challenge for automakers selling new technology in cars that don't fit standard classifications and whose performance is difficult to measure.

GM and Nissan Motor Co. have both made claims about their new models' fuel economy and driving range that not all consumers may attain because electric performance varies greatly by driving habits.

"You have a PR problem with any one of these vehicles," said Jim Hall, principal of 2953 Analytics Inc., an auto consulting firm in Birmingham, Michigan. "GM had this sort of schizophrenic thing about doing its best to manage perception and at the same time going off into traditional old-style GM hype."

GM has promoted the $41,000 Volt as an electric vehicle to give it an image boost over hybrid-electric cars such as the Prius.

The Detroit automaker has said for three years that the Volt would always run on electric power and more recently said it would average 230 miles per gallon. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency hasn't rated that number, and GM said many consumers may get lower fuel economy.

‘GM Lied'

GM said today that the engine does assist in driving the car through an electric generator.

Critics at Popular Mechanics and Edmunds both wrote they consider the Volt a plug-in hybrid and not the electric vehicle that GM has touted for years. The Edmunds review of the car had the headline: “GM Lied: Chevy Volt is not a true EV.”

Nick Richards, a GM spokesman, said the Volt always runs on electricity and has no mechanical link from the gasoline engine to the wheels.

The car's four-cylinder gasoline engine powers a secondary electric motor, which turns the wheels, Tony Posawatz, the Volt's vehicle line director, said in an interview. The car's gas engine doesn't directly power the wheels, he said. GM never disclosed that fact because the engineers saw it as a benefit that boosted the car's fuel economy, he said.

‘Very different'

“I keep telling people that this is a smart solution,” Posawatz said. “It drives very different from a hybrid.”

Hall, of 2953 Analytics, said there are some similarities between the Volt and the Prius.

“In a Prius, there is no mechanical linkage between the engine and the wheels -- it goes through a motor,” he said. “They use the engine to drive a direct-drive generator to drive the motor. The Volt does the same thing, it's just that the Volt can run with electric power without an engine longer than pretty much any hybrid right now can.”

GM said previously that the Volt would go 40 miles on a fully charged battery before the gasoline engine starts to recharge the battery, giving the vehicle a total range of 340 miles.

The company said today it will go 25 to 50 miles in electric drive and 310 miles on one charge and a tank of fuel.

Nissan and GM both will have marketing challenges when consumers get lower range or fuel economy, Hall said. With hybrids and electric cars, they can drive farther in stop-and-go city driving than on the highway because braking recharges the battery.

Company claims

That means many Volt owners won't get 230 miles per gallon in the Volt and Leaf drivers won't get the 100 miles on a single charge that the companies have claimed, Hall said.

Consumers probably won't care whether the Volt is a hybrid or electric car, said Eric Noble, president of The CarLab, an auto consulting firm in Orange, Calif. Potential buyers will be more concerned with the car's price, the fuel savings and how far they can drive before needing to plug in or refuel.

“Consumers don't care what we call it,” Noble said. “In our research, most of the questions from consumers are about battery life and recharging.”

The Volt's emissions are more important than what people call it, said Dan Becker, director of the Safe Climate Campaign, an environmental lobbying group in Washington.

“I don't think purity is the issue,” Becker said. “What comes out of the tailpipe is the issue. If it's a little, it's green. If it's a lot, it's not.”

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What a bunch of PR smoke/mirrors

The Volt is not an electric vehicle. It's a gasoline-electric hybrid.

Now...it's a "series" hybrid (which also are known as "extended range electric vehicles) rather than a "parallel" hybrid (as is the Prius, Honda insight, Tahoe hybrid and others), but it's still a hybrid.

It can be plugged in and if you disabled or removed the gasoline engine, then it'd be an electric vehicle.

This seems like just another sad case were the General Motors Company is loosing my respect and loosing credibility by trying to revise the engineering lexicon to suit its varied marketing needs or...maybe to satisfy the government entities which own a majority stake in the company.:mad
 
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain - the great and powerful OZ (GM) has spoken ! :upthumbs

I always said that the Volt will be the last nail in GM's coffin. There was a time when you could walk into any GM showroom and find a great line up of beautiful automobiles.

Not anymore. Boring uninspired cars across the board.
 
This would still make an excellent work car for me. I drive 36 miles a day to work and back on all rural country roads that are very lightly traveled. My work car sees very limited use other than that. I would be at the gas station so rarely that they would forget my name.

Tom
 
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This would still make an excellent work car for me. I drive 36 miles a day to work and back on all rural country roads that are very lightly traveled. My work car sees very limited use other than that. I would be at the gas station so rarely that they would forget my name.

Tom

:wThe "work" car is the perfect situation. If you have a garage it's ideal.
If you live in the city where it would be really good - there will be recharge stations at shopping areas etc. If you mis-schedule your charge you can use gas to get to a charger.:W
It seems that the technology has changed so much that the PR people didnt know which tale to use. Remember when the car was a really hot sporty car instead of a battery Malibu??

BUT as everyone notes, it's the price.
AND the govt subsidy!! Yes we are all paying for this! :mad
Next - the govt will realize that electricity has NO road tax.:chuckle
 
Company claims

That means many Volt owners won't get 230 miles per gallon in the Volt and Leaf drivers won't get the 100 miles on a single charge that the companies have claimed, Hall said.

Consumers probably won't care whether the Volt is a hybrid or electric car, said Eric Noble, president of The CarLab, dvd headrest an auto consulting firm in Orange, Calif. Potential buyers will be more concerned with the car's price, the fuel savings and how far they can drive before needing to plug in or refuel.

“Consumers don't care what we call it,” Noble said. “In our research, most of the questions from headrest dvd player consumers are about battery life and recharging.”

The Volt's emissions are more important than what people call it, said Dan Becker, director of the Safe Climate Campaign, an environmental lobbying group in Washington.

“I don't think purity is the issue,” Becker said. “What comes out of the tailpipe is the issue. If it's a little, it's green. If it's a lot, it's not.”

I feel like GM is taking the first step into something even bigger.
 

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