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Time to start the trouble shooting process I guess, thanks for all the info so far keep it coming. I want to fiqure this out. Just be prepared for more questions.. I'm watching the race right now so after it's over I plan on heading out in the garage. Dave..
 
Dave,
I have a compression gage if you want to borrow it, just let me know. Another cause of fouling plugs or oil consumption is a blown head gaskit. I blew one on my car last year. It blew on the intake side and missed the water holes. It wasnt steaming or mixing my oil with water but the cylinder that blew was sucking oil up through the lifter valley. That cylinder had 20 psi all the others had 190-200. It was also blowing a bunch of air when I removed the oil filler cap. I learned the BB cylinder heads are very heavy.
Jeff
 
Jeff you looked at the plugs a couple of weeks ago when you were by here do you remember what you thought of them?? I want to say you said they didn't look that bad. I have some stuff going on next weekend that I can't get out of maybe the following weekend I can come over there and have you help me take a look at my issues??? I'll email you also.. Dave..
 
Well here's an update....
I set the dwell, timing and idle.. and it seems to run a little better. I removed the plugs and of course #8 is fouled. NASTY!!! So I guess next is the compression test and pulling the valve covers. I bought the valve cover gaskets today and the rocker arm nuts will be here tomorrow. Could the rocker arms being out of adjustment cause the same problem or is it more than likely the valve guides? If it's the valve guides what are my options. Can you just replace the valve guides?? Or is this a disaster waiting to happen? and I should go ahead and plan on pulling the motor before I drive it to much more??As stated before I've never done any engine work before however I have the ability, just no knowledge. Dave..
 
Well Dave, even though you have the ability, it would be better if you just pull the engine and send it off to get professionally rebuilt. It would take a book to walk you through assembly of the engine. Tearing it apart is not a real problem. What will be the key to dependibility is the machine work and proper assembly. Torque values, clearances, assembly procedures, pre-starting, measuring the old parts (oil pump, crank, etc.) and on and on will make or break the engine.
Sounds to me like the rings are shot in #8? No way would that much oil from one or two guides foul a plug that fast. It's for sure a combination of ring sealing alone with the guides is my guess?
No, a valve adjument being out of spec is not a cause for oil fouling. It's a matter of worn parts....meaning, ring and/or guide wear.
I keep bring up my simple theory about parts that wear out on each other. Rub both hands together. Which hand stayed cold? You see, when one wears against another part, they both wearing out almost equally. Different metals being a variable, the principal remains the same. So if you change guides, for sure, change the valves also.
Let's try to narrow it down a little. Let me ask you a few questions. When you first start the engine cold, do you see a puff of smoke out the exhaust? My next question is, if you get the engine up to running temperature, and pull the breather tube off the valve cover, can you see smoke bellowing out the hole? Get back to me on this and let's see if you can get away with pulling the heads only and having new valves/guides installed without removing the engine for another season. At least you'll have a little mechanical experience by removing and replacing your own heads on the engine block. If you have to rebuild the block, you already have the heads done and you can just send out the block for crank and piston work. Always replace the oil pump on a new engine.
 
Well I guess I should have said that the fouling didn't occur from the run around the block. I pulled the plug that was in there and it was nasty so I put one of the ones that I pulled from it before I put these in. It still has the miss and I will pull it out to see if it is already fouled. Either way I guess I will be pulling the engine. Not good since I already spent a chunk to get this car. Other than the engine the car is okay. No show queen but we will get the motor going and bring it back to it's former life or drop another in it's place either way it will have to wait a little while. I was hoping it was something that would be not to detrimental or cost over a grand but it appears it will be more. Tomorrow I plan on calling a couple places to see how much it would be to drop it off and have them rebuild it.... Dave...
 
Well here's an update for those of you out there... The compression test was good 150 on the lowest and 175 on the highest not 15% but close. The leakdown was what said it all though, about half of my cylinders didn't even hold 50 psi one was even at 35 psi. So it looks as if my rings are shot even though it doesn't smoke under acceleration. The cylinder that fouls is one of the better cylinders it was at 170 compression 90 psi leakdown. Exhaust valves 4 and 6 have an exhaust leak during the leakdown so that's probably where my smoke is coming from under deceleration.. I think that from what I've learned so far that the reason that I'm fouling #8 is b/c of one of the two following the valve seal maybe shot or the piston oil ring is shot. I will change the valve seals and see what happens. If this doesn't work I'm just going to drive it until I send out for the ZZ4. Once again thanks.. Dave..
 
youwish2bme said:
The cylinder that fouls is one of the better cylinders it was at 170 compression 90 psi leakdown. Dave..

You will get better numbers on compression and leakdown with oil in the cylinders. Your plug was probably oil fowled.

Tom
 

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