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My Anti-Freeze is Leaking

Stallion

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My dad and I just took the Vette out for a spin and just to start her up and we looked in the garage and there was a little, little puddle (about 1in x 1in) of anit-freeze (it was greenish-blue). Then I threw open the hood and I saw that down on the block was a little wet spot of anti-freeze.

I don't think it's the radiator because it's not close to it. I also don't think it's any of the cooling hoses because there's no "trail" of it. Just a spot right on the block. That's what worries me. There is nothing leading to it...it's just right on the block. That puts the fear in my mind that there might be a crack in the block where the coolant runs through? Is this possible? :( :( I hope it's not that. :(

Any ideas what could be doing this? It was also close to the pump, but I don't think it was there. If needed, I could take a picture of it.

Any suggestions/advice on finding sources of leaks? Thanks! :D

TR
 
Wipe the coolant up as best as you can and then jack up the front of the car. Support it on stands and crawl under for a visual inspection. Look for the usual tell-tale trails. After crawling back out, start the car and let it run for a few minutes. While it is still running do a good visual inspection of the suspect areas, using a strong flashlight. It could be something as simple as a back connection of one of the hoses where it joins a metal nipple.

Shut the car off and crawl back under it, looking for the leaks.

Gary
 
Is the leak on the front of the engine? ...If so, you could have a bad water pump. Look at the picture below...see the hole in the water pump (see arrows) Your pump may not be exactly the same as the picture, but the hole in the pump is the same. Get a mirror and slide it under the pump so you can see the hole. See if you have any coolant coming out of that hole. If you do, the seals are going inside the pump and the pump needs to be replaced. That’s a great job for you, its an easy fix. Its like Auto Repair 101.
 
I there a puddle on the intake manifold? Thats where mine has a small leak. Where on the engine block is the antifreeze ? Get your camera out and post a picture here.

Dave
 
Thanks for the replies, guys. I hope it's just the pump. Doesn't sound like it'll be too hard for me to fix. As long as it's not the block that might have cracked. Because that would be tragic.

It's late right now, but tomorrow I'll be out in the garage with the camera and I'll take a pic of the leak and post it then. Thanks again! :D

TR
 
Pictures

As Gary said, you have to pinpoint the leak EXACTLY. Wipe everything in that area down carefully, jack it up with stands before you get under it, if you don't have any, GET THEM!!! They're cheap and will save your life. NEVER get under a car without them, no matter how quick you think you're going to be. All auto parts stores sell them. Check the fluid level and after you wipe it down, start it and let it run for a few minutes. Shut it down and check it again. I seriously doubt you have a cracked block. Auto parts stores also sell anti freeze checkers which will tell you what temperature your mixture is good to. Let us know, and don't worry.
 
Okay, Lou. This sounds like a good plan of action. I'll clean off the spot and then run her and see what/where comes out. Hopefully then I'll see what I need to do to fix her up. Tomorrow I'll post some pics and I'll try to find the leak.

Thanks, fellas! :D

TR
 
Burglar - where on the intake is YOUR leak?

Stallion:
Be careful if your leak ends up being a kind only a sealant can quickly work on. The sealants do generally work quite well, especially the liquid ones with aluminum colored slurries. There are tons of horror stories about them clogging up cooling systems however, expecailly old, dirty ones. I have yet to experience this myself, but have always been afraid of it. Worse, if your leak is in a freeze plug or head gasket, if you don't rplace the defective part, you risk a catastrophic failure later a sealant only "put a patch" on. Some people will purge their cooling systems after successfully using a sealant, just to be sure. (Most of the directions on them recommend doing this before, if at all possible.)

All this of course depends on where your leak is at though, of course, at you may have nothing that wrong.

BTW, if you do need to replace a water pump, for example, it's also a good idea if you have the money to change any of the hoses - water, vacuum and fuel - that you have to disconnect to get the job done. Those hoses should be changed fairly frequently anyhow, so it makes sense to not put back on old ones, especailly since the condition of the car is new to you. It's not that expensive and it kills three or four flying rats with one or two stones.

Burglar:
I've had nearly every leak except a freeze plug leak on this thing already (which is scheduled I believe in early April, somewhere between here and Kentucky... :) )

Mine right now is the SS radiator hose I put on - which HAS lessened to nothing. I still am going to put sealant on the SS-to-adapter dealy ends before I cut it to it's proper length and change the bottom one to that. What that leak used to be on mine was two-fold: two nice chrome-plated O-ringed thermostat housings (differnt brands) that, because they were made of some inappropriate non-steel, non-aluminum alloy WARPED in just weeks... AND....

....leaks around the driver side water port intake bolts because inadequate/inappropriate sealant was used when they put on the Edelbrock Performer.

The former I fixed by switching to a good 'ole cast iron OEM Chevy water neck, painted Chevy orange (actually Hemi Orange, because I had a full can of that! :L ) I had to grind down one of the support webs a bit to get it to use the same bolts, because I was too cheap to go get a few more 12-point 3/8" bolts like the rest of the intake now has. That stopped that leak. Sometime later I will replace it with some genuine chrome plated ALUMINUM number from some known manufacturer, but it works, so who cares?

The later I fixed when I plucked the intake looking for oil and vacuum leaks. The center two bolts on the intake of small blocks are famous for oozing oil, as is the fore and especially aft edges if you use the provided little gaskets instead of a HBOS (Humongous Blob Of Sealant.) I found an inch of vacuum or so and stopped those oil leaks as well as the water passage leaks with generous amounts of some O2 sensor safe silite. I picked a silver type normally for imports so it would blend with the aluminum better.

I just found a heater core leak I addressed two ways - a way I hate and a safe way. Forget it if you think I ripped out the heater core of a daily driver with no pre-planning! :) I used water system sealant. That always gives me the willies, waiting for it to find a restricted area in the system to clog... I also installed two manual cutoffs to be able to quickly isolate the system if it blows like one did just last year on me on another car.
 
I also have a S/A and my water pump just started to leak (no bad yet). Don't put stop leak in (stop leak is for your everyday driver, when the car has to driven). Fix the leak, if it's the pump like mine, replace the pump, I'm going with a GM Alum, GM hoses, and having the radiator boiled out and painted. Plus going to paint up the radiator brackets.
 
Ok my 25 cents ( Freeze plugs )

Was the leak centerline of the car or off to one side?

1st the Pix that John showed you.. that hole is refered to as a weep hole.. it indicates the water pump seals are going.... I think it means.. when you have water there goes More money flying out of your wallet ergo weeping.

While you are down there DO check all the freeze plugs out.... and if it looks a bit IFFY.. take a small screwdriver and give it a scrape.. If you poke a hole.. well so be it..it was going to go REAL SOON anyway.. have a catch pan handy... I have used the expansion style Dorman freeze plugs in a pinch in this situation ( they look like a flying saucer)

The plug is a HAIR smaller then the hole.. but it has a bolt in the middle.... Remove ALL of the old freeze plug,you clean the edge of the hole GOOD put some sealant around the edge of the block/hole... slip the dorman plug in & start tightining.. it compresses the disc.. forcing it the Outer Diameter to expand.. and bada bing your done.. this is better than conventional freeze plugs in an emergency.. because typically the one you need to replace you cant get the swing of the Big Ol hammer to get where you need to!

Vig!
 
I didn't get a chance to take any pics of it today, I was real busy. But tomorrow I'm sure I'll get around to it and I'll post where and what it looks like. And then I'll clean it up and possibly run her (although, the snow is just killer here right now :().

I'll post the pics tomorrow as soon as possible. Hopefully it's not too serious. Thanks for all the replies, fellas! :D

TR
 
Wayne - Mine bubbles up aound #8 intake port area,the intake gaskets need replaced. I am going to pull the intake in the next several weeks. It's not a very bad leak but I can't stand ANYTHING leaking from my car.

Dave

p.s. How is your weather today? My Aunt lives in Lubbock and she said it was going to be 70 today. Here is what I have. Look at my neigbors car,2+ feet of snow!!
 
S'posed to hit 58 today

Was just below freezing on the way home....

Nice, and bright and sunny....just the way I remember my childhood in Great Falls - but different somehow... :)

Good thing too since I'm putting the puppy up on ramps to reinstall my PS pump - and correctly aligned this time!

Also going to try to find the weird vibration about to disintegrate my car on some milk run...

Good thing I'll be able to wear just shorts and t-shirt....hate heavy clothes like jeans and a sweatshirt... :D
 
Re: Burglar - where on the intake is YOUR leak?

WayneLBurnham said:
The center two bolts on the intake of small blocks are famous for oozing oil

Only the four extreme corner intake bolts are into blind-tapped holes in the heads; the ends of other eight all protrude into the lifter valley, and if you don't use thread sealer on those eight bolts, the hot oil vapor will migrate up the threads and appear around the bolt heads as oil seepage/stains on the intake. Not all shops take the trouble to use the thread sealer (and Chevy didn't either when they assembled it), so this condition is fairly common. Removing the bolts one at a time, cleaning the threads on the bolts and in the holes, and re-installing the bolts with thread sealer will cure it.
:beer
 
Thanks for the tip JohnZ.I will definitely be using thread sealer along with all new bolts when I replace my intake gaskets in the next several weeks. I noticed I had oil seepage on one bolt also.
I aslo like the idea of running a tap down through all the intake bolt holes to clean them out,what do you think?

Dave
 
Don't know if anyone mentioned to pressure test the system? should show you the leak,Pull the dip stick to check for coolant in the oil pan,or check radiator for oil also. I don't beleive the block is cracked since exterior leak.If you have access to a pressure tester do a test.
 
Here's a picture of the leak...

Here's a picture of the anti-freeze leak. Here I'm pointing to it. It just looks like a perspired spot, and I'm not too sure if this leak is connected to the pump which would be a seal problem.

Tell me what you think after you look at this picture and what I should do to go about fixing this leak. Thanks! :D

TR
 
Looks like an intake gasket leak at #2 cylinder port. Don't feel bad mine is leaking at #8. Requires removal of intake and replacing gaskets. See what the others think.


Dave
 
If this is the problem, how bad is it to remove the intake? The intake is just bolted on, right? Once I get the filter and carb off it should be no prob, right? And the gasket, would that be tough to fix/change?

Okay, I will see what others think. Thanks! :)

TR
 

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