NCRS Certified Car appraiser's & Inspectors

[knowitall]

I have to say I'm at a loss for the NCRS community, there are NCRS judges that get paid to go look at Corvettes for potential customers and they go and inspect the car that they are hired to look at and they degrade the car and then they tell the customer that they know where a better car is for them to buy. This doesn't bother me but the fact of the matter is, this happens all the time, I've been in this business for over a decade now and every single time an NCRS judge has came to inspect one of my cars they did exactly what I just spoke about. Lets clear this up, most of the NCRS judges I've ran accross have only owned a few Corvettes in their life, and they are in their lat:ughe 60's, I'm in my mid 30's and I've owned 1000's. Now I don't mind learning from them, and I think they should stop spinning people in order to make money for themselves.

 

[Vettehead Mikey]

First- welcome to the site. There's lots of down to earth knowledgeable people here.

The NCRS does not have ANY certified car inspectors or appraisers- nor any type of related services. There is no such thing.

An individual may be a member of the NCRS (like myself) but is specifically prohibited from doing any appraisal or evaluation in the name of the NCRS.

 

[knowitall]

I agree, nontheless there are people out there who use these titles to there advantage, and the NCRS community needs to be aware of what exactly is going on, I know that what you said is true, but the fact of the matter is, is that alot of NCRS certified judges are throwing there title around to make a prtofit. They make money to go look at these cars, which is fine by me, but what isn't fine by me, and I think I speak for alot of people, is when they tell this person that hired them that the car doesn't work and they go and direct them to a car where they have intrest in, in order to make a profit. Heres the problem, they are stealing customers from us, I don't see any NCRS judges dumping $10k plus a month for advertising to pull these potential customers in.

 

[c5vetter]

And, if you know who these people are, then take the next step and contact one of the officers of the NCRS - they do take the offenses you are talking about seriously

 

[catbert]

You have owned "thousands" - thousands of what? You are throwing grenades at the NCRS community (of which I am NOT a member), but haven't cited any particulars. What's the specific beef? I am prepared to get angry with you, but I need to know who I'm angry at.ad

 

[knowitall]

Paticular Beef? I think its all in black in white, I'm not throwing any grenades, and I'm not trying to hurt the NCRS in any way, I have plenty of friends who are NCRS members, and I'm making people aware that I'm tired of what I've been whitnessing. These problems are being delt with but I'm afraid they'll never be solved. There are alot of good people in this business who have endured this treatment through the years, and to be honest with you we are tired of it. I can tell you that my perception of whats been happening through the years is that anytime someone says to me, I have a friend who's an NCRS judge who wants to look at the car for me, it's an automatic deal killer. Now I'm not saying that every car I've had through the years have been 100 point perfect, but they were represented to the best of my knowledge and ability. I've learned so much from NCRS people and I'm grateful, but I'm tired of being the guy that when they show up to my place, I get lost in they're web that they spin in order to profit from the customer that should of been mine.

 

[catbert]

So you sell Vettes, and you think that inspectors hired by buyers are nit picking your cars?

 

[knowitall]

Yes I do sell Corvettes, I don't have a problem with nit pickers, because to tell you the truth I'm picky, I don't have a problem with this, its just what I said, I feel like I'm being used in order for people to profit from my hard work, anyone in this business will agree, and its been for the most part NCRS people.

 

[Vettehead Mikey]

is that alot of NCRS certified judges

Again, there is NO such thing as an NCRS 'certified' judge. If there are individuals who are representing themselves as such in order to influence a sale or evaluation, please get some names and advise the NCRS at:

National Corvette Restorers Society
6291 Day Road
Cincinnati, Ohio 45252-1334
Phone: 513-385-8526 or 513-385-6367
24 Hour FAX Line: 513-385-8554
E-Mail: info@ncrs.org

Thanks.

 

[89BlackSapphire]

I'm a NCRS Judge, I can tell you that I have never heard of another Judge doing what you described. The ones you have had aquantices with may have done you (a perceived injustance) but I doubt it. I have spent over 15 years learning all I can about C-2's & C-3's as well over $15,000 or more traveling and registering for events. I say this to enphasise the seriouness of becoming a NCRS Judge. If a Judge steered a potential client away from you it may be because he or she was doing what they were asked to do: review a car and give their friend a true representation of how the car is. If they steered their friend away from you they probably saw things you either didn't see or elected to ignore.
All of the NCRS Judges I have meet are honest, and I have meet a large majority in 15+ years. You could not allow them on your lot but then that would look like you were hiding something from the potential buyer and "I know you wouldn't do that". The car will sell itself if it's worthy.

 

[knowitall]

Thats a pretty broad statement, Quote "every NCRS judge I have ever met is honest" Look I'm not trying to make you guys mad or look bad, I'm only stating the truth, now my expierences are fact, the fact of the matter is the Corvette world can get real small real quick, especially when it comes to ultra rare cars. I can admitt my mistakes and if I don't know something I'll tell you I don't know. The fact of the matter is unless you've owned these cars from the day they rolled off the show room floor you don't know. I personally know of cars that have passed the eyes of NCRS that were not real and they were top flighted, that being said none of us are perfect, and things happen that we can't control, like NCRS judges spinning customers for their own profit, its a fact. On for the record I don't have problems selling Corvettes, fact of the matter is they have always done well, thats not the issue at hand. also I can understand why you never heard of a judge doing this because do you honestly believe they for one, percieve what they are doing is wrong, or two even tell you if they did, when there is money involved and I don't care what it is, theres always going to be sideways moves and dishonesty.

 

[knowitall]

Again, there is NO such thing as an NCRS 'certified' judge. If there are individuals who are representing themselves as such in order to influence a sale or evaluation, please get some names and advise the NCRS at:

National Corvette Restorers Society
6291 Day Road
Cincinnati, Ohio 45252-1334
Phone: 513-385-8526 or 513-385-6367
24 Hour FAX Line: 513-385-8554
E-Mail: info@ncrs.org

Thanks.

Thank You for the information, I'll keep that in mind and I have already talked with some people about it, all I can hope to do is to prevent this from happening to other people.

 

[Vettehead Mikey]

I personally know of cars that have passed the eyes of NCRS that were not real and they were top flighted,

There is no attempt in NCRS Flight judging to authenticate or certify that a car is 'real' or not.

Although it's obvious you've got an axe to grind- and possibly for good reason- it sounds also that you're not all that familiar with what the NCRS judging system is or how it works. This does not help your own cause much.

 

[knowitall]

You're right, I don't understand the judging or how it works, and thats not the issue here, this thread may upset you guys, and I'm not attacking your work, if anything you need to start looking at your members and start asking questions, it does not matter what I say period, this is old news, heck 10 years ago at Carlisle this was a real topic rather anyone told you or not, its what people think of these guys who go around doing this, and they have their NCRS shirts, books, mirrors, lights, and magnifying glasses. Its an unshakable reputation, and as upset as people may get, I'm only stating the obviuos, and mind you, you can say what you want about me or this thread, I truly hope that this activity will stop.

 

[Yoda]

knowitall Welcome to the Corvette Action Center Community..

I believe you have stated your case knowitall and made your point.

You have raised the flag on an issue you feel needs to be addressed, members from NCRS here at the Community have offered suggestions as how to handle any future problems. Contact address, phone numbers and emails have been provided.

As well many long time NCRS members have responded to the POLICY of NCRS about judges and their first hand knowledge of NCRS and other Judges they know and have worked car shows with.

There may be a few bad apples, but every job, company have them.. everyone...

Bud

 

[knowitall]

I agree, it doesn't matter what business your in or work you do there's always a possibility of bad apples. I'm done voicing my opinion, and I'm glad that I was able to get a responce. I'd like to state this for the record, I truly have a real passion for Corvettes, they have took me places I never imagined possible and the people and relationships I've had the true pleasure of having are priceless. The NCRS community are and always will be respected by me. The only way to change things is to do something, because nothing changes nothing.

 

[XLR8]

So in the spirit of doing something to address the issue, will you contact the NCRS as suggested in the earlier post?
Welcome to the CAC by the way!

Jane Ann